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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

We don't yet know the "load bearing" or "delve" or "not X. Not Y. Just..." Clichés of video AI - at least I don't know. But given it's instruction tuned, we can be confident they will be there, and that the breadth of what it can generate for a given prompt will have extremely low diversity compared to its training data.

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AI is destroying the economics which allowed for a sizable middle class of artists. The issue is that many are paid for their art mostly for its aesthetic rather than artistic value. This isn’t the most creatively fulfilling, but it previously allowed many artists to make a living while refining their skills, often enabling them to pursue their real creative ambitions on the side.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

> philosophically to me, art is inherently human.

When I was younger, still trying to figure out who I was and what I'd be doing for a career, I was very interested in science. Sadly, my home life as it was prevented me from pursuing it as a student and survival as an adult meant catching up was an uphill battle. I just didn't have the discipline. So instead I just read books, mostly cosmology related, but also computer science. That was my way of making up for lost time to become the software developer and eventually engineer that I am today. But something was sorely missing.

I believed science would solve everything, that we could use technology to lift humans out of regressive traditionalism, force out ignorant politicians, but more obviously, build things that would solve climate change, hunger, disease, whatever. Growing up and realizing this was not the case has left me cynical. Social media is a blight that poisons everything and truly has not been studied enough on how it has raped society from increased vanity, parasocial relationships, addiction, the ability to be targeted by bad actors, I could go on. This technology in particular is probably at fault for the rise of fascism and far right politics. American tax payer funded and researched space innovation has been plundered and now controlled by a fucking weirdo psychopath trillionaire with a taste for culture wars. It is just absurd. Now, AI, and that is a whole topic of its own.

Good science still happens, of course, but now it's being buried by noise from the newest tech hype, AI. What chaps my ass about AI is that it has amazing uses but because of capital at all costs, we advance it in the most blind and irresponsible ways possible at the expense of our humanity and planet. So much so, now it is blasting out "art" for the cost of fucking up people's lives wherever there is a datacenter.

My main point is, that with all these topics, I've found that people are generally "philosophically empty". It is easy to say people are dumb, but I don't think that is the case (or, well, it is but that is too simple). That younger self scoffed at philosophy, seeing it as a fun thought experiment and little more, science was king. Now? Oh man. I feel so foolish. I think we all should have been challenged to think more philosophically at a much younger age. We have a generation of young people who dream of being influencers. Have you ever seen a more talentless, uninspired, cynical group of people worse than influencers? I sure haven't. But it is my more philosophical side that sees so clearly how vapid it is, and how it cheapens what we are as human in the name of attention seeking capitalism, to sell yourself at all costs and one more medium to be a walking advertisment. It feels like we're at the end game. I'm sure most generations have felt this way, and some had good reason (looking at you generation of the atomic bomb). But somehow, this feels less tangible, more philosophically bad, and already endemic. We're all so ill equipped to address it or even acknowledge it societally.

Sorry for the rant, thanks for reading if you got this far.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

Why are they absurd and meaningless? Can be art and creative, just like the music.

Music videos take attention away from the actual art. It's purely a gimmick to make bad music sound better. ... and no, music videos are not art.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Visual effects went through this same development issues as the industry matured. What took this industry decades to advance it taking months in AI. Think the spaghetti Will Smith and now this. Another one people don't mention here but is specific to video is higgsfield ai.

> Visual effects went through this same development issues as the industry matured The industry haven't matured except until a certain point. Then it declined. Modern visual effects are worse than practical effects in their heyday. They are also worse done than 3D effects in their tasteful early days (like Jurassic Park).

Are you sure this is not just a case of good VX has hard to spot? And you only notice the bad/cheap examples.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

I don't know if there is a hidden /s but I disagree with your general statement. Music Videos often enough expand the story the song tells.

While "The Blaze - TERRITORY" is already a beautiful song to me, its music video[1] Always brings a tear to my eye.

That said, music Videos, like many songs themselves, are not rarely meaningless and bland. I guess that is just the result of commercial music.

[1] https://youtu.be/54fea7wuV6s

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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post #257

Like most of this stuff, it's obviously impressive technology compared to what existed a few years ago. But the end product has zero artistic value. It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song. A talented creative with a vision could make something more interesting and enjoyable in an afternoon with a $0 budget.

"It's a grey goo of the average of every concept picked up from the concept of the song."

You just described 90% of todays music videos made by humans.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We dont need music videos though. Music videos are absurd and meaningless.

I don't know if there is a hidden /s but I disagree with your general statement. Music Videos often enough expand the story the song tells. While "The Blaze - TERRITORY" is already a beautiful song to me, its music video[1] Always brings a tear to my eye. That said, music Videos, like many songs themselves, are not rarely meaningless and bland. I guess that is just the result of commercial music. [1] https://youtu.be…

They do not, they add nothing. And if they do then the song is bad.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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post #35
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Unsure if it's just the way they prompted it / coded it, but the output is far too much a literal direct copy of the lyrics. The best music videos have a story arc on the theme of but often not litearlly the lyrics, and start with obscurity and reveal something (following all the literary/story mechanisms) Consider Amber Run - Found lyrics versus the video, and the story arc of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch…

Weird Al videos are often totally literal and extremely fun as a result. https://youtu.be/N9qYF9DZPdw?is=tU_8p-hDZv9gjAJ6

They are funny, which is the point of Weird Al. The overwhelming majority of music and music videos are not comedic.
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