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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by scarecrowbob »

stale2002 wrote: post #180
byzantinegene wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or i can just not do it? this absolute garbage of a music video is not worth a single cent, let alone a $100.

What do you mean, I thought it was fun. Feel free to not make your own music videos, but I am not sure why you would be so upset about other people having fun.

People say this a lot, and I usually think it's said by folks who haven't thought about it much.

As a person who makes a lot of music, I don't care if folks have fun. In fact I am having such a hard time caring hat folks do or how they do it I can't get motivated to book any shows this season.

But the part you're missing is when folks make these things and then say "yeah, you see this thing we're doing? That's what we think -you- are doing." LIke when someone sets up an LLM to shit out some song lyrics, I don't care if they are having fun doing it, but I think it displays a lot of contempt for [insert an songwriting artist youlike here] to claim that the LLM is doing the same thing.

Which is fine and all- I've got plenty of unmitigated contempt for my fellow humans.

And you don't even need a computer to do that- I've released a certain amount of music that is facile and boring and in retrospect understand why folks were dismissive.

But if you want to understand why folks who consider themselves invested in their craft (or even invested in other artists' craft) are dismissive of these things, then you might consider how radically dismissive of craft these kinds of cultural products might seem to artists.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

hahahaa wrote: post #186
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #129

This is how you do AI music videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njk2YAgNMnE Lean into the not-quite-but-almost uncanny-valley-ness. Make it a feature, not a bug.

That is how you do A video but if everyone does this it becomes like those blurred photos that make cities look like a small model and everyone is doing it. I guess this is the issue. Me buying a Toyota and pointing at it is not art, there are too many of them.

I'm possibly retro-fitting my answer here, but that film clip feels like the band, feels like it fits well with the music, I think that's why that clip came to my mind in relation to the produce-generica of the original article.

The clip incorporates images of the band and, as @DoktorDelta pointed out (which I didn't know before), it was trained on art created by some of the band members. It also totally fits the psychedelic rock vibe, not just for this song, but also into the canon of psychedelic rock film clips and general psychedelia media.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by aardvarkr »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #129

This is how you do AI music videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njk2YAgNMnE Lean into the not-quite-but-almost uncanny-valley-ness. Make it a feature, not a bug.

Released October 2022? That’s a very human piece of art even if the images may have been generated by an algorithm

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by Lerc »

runarberg wrote: post #181
Lerc wrote: post #179

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If you benchmark is to be better than a human familiar with the task at hand, then you will be disappointed. If you are not expecting them to be as good as people then their failures seem wholly unremarkable. The specific nature of tbe failures can be quite interesting in fact. They can expose deficiencies in the architecrure, training data, or presumptiona of those controlling the models. In my experience very few p…

> I'm not bothered by a fish's inability to quote Shakespeare. But I am bothered when they put a pencil in the mouth of a fish and tell us that this is the future of literature, that this qualifies as playwright, and that theaters will soon begin putting on plays written by a fish with a pencil in its mouth.

But they are not claiming that current models are better than humans but later developments might.

Do you think that a descendant of a fish could be a playwright or put on a play?

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by nearbuy »

xfeeefeee wrote: post #170

Not a fan really. There are certainly uses for AI, but this is lacking something. Personally I think it works best as a filter or applying a style or effect that is difficult otherwise, or generating fancy ambient or abstract textures etc. People constantly think the music video I created for Zingara's Unlock Your Keys [1] is AI, but it really is just real footage all around, except for a handful of lines / pulse tex…

It's a strange experiment. Claude and GPT aren't generating the video. They're directing and editing it, and they request video from a generative video model using mainly text-to-video. Neither Claude nor GPT can actually watch video content, and the video model generates shoddy quality clips with artifacts, lack of consistency, and where actions aren't synced to the music.

It would be very hard for anyone to make a good music video with the tools Fable and Sol had available to them. They don't have precise control over the clips that get generated, and they can't see or hear the result, other than screenshots. So I'm not sure what the experimenters expected.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by Systemerror7A69 »

interroboink wrote: post #191
anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

> Meaningful art is not mass-produced, generated content. Andy Warhol might disagree [1] (: (I realize that's not exactly apples-to-apples, but y'know.) Or there's "art is anything you can get away with," which I just mention to point out that this kind of issue ("what is art?") is not new. In some ways it seems like a good thing to get people, like you, riled up about these topics, arguing the merits of their point…

I don't think that example applies at all here. The quote you quoted itself said it - "subjects for high art". Theres a difference between treating the banalities of life as SUBJECTS for your art and making human, non-mass produced art from that ( like the paining you linked) vs just treating the soup cans themselves as art.

At least that's my interpretation of it

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by nullstyle »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #144
nullstyle wrote: post #135

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Nah, us fiends watch things like https://youtu.be/TuGg0aMO1NI?is=zFRpAeel1keKFbsb

Now _that_ is freaking amazing. I couldn't look away for the whole thing.

Glad you like it! Doopdidoo is the artist that taught me AI generated art can hit me as hard as the human greats. The hair on my arms stand on end — like it does when the french horns come in on hollst’s jupiter — when jesus descends from the ufo in arc hive.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by senderista »

altcognito wrote: post #171
beepbooptheory wrote: post #83

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Classically trained in music videos??

I'm seeing these type of comments a lot more. A type of comment where it seems like the "user" (commentor) makes a categorically wrong comment about the linked article that would be sort of right if it were a different medium. Clearly whatever was used here triggered on the "music" part, but didn't understand what the article was really about. Typically it goes beyond just not reading the article (as in this case) I'…

“Classically trained” in the musical context usually means “I took a year of piano lessons.”

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by TehCorwiz »

Lerc wrote: post #204
runarberg wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not bothered by a fish's inability to quote Shakespeare. But I am bothered when they put a pencil in the mouth of a fish and tell us that this is the future of literature, that this qualifies as playwright, and that theaters will soon begin putting on plays written by a fish with a pencil in its mouth.

But they are not claiming that current models are better than humans but later developments might. Do you think that a descendant of a fish could be a playwright or put on a play?

Objectively no. Fish form animals have been around far longer than mammals and we've touched the moon.
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