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Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. > K…

What hardware are they using to run the benchmarks?

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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This. More people should read Simon Wardley. Also China's silent but powerful support of Russia and its invasion.

China relies on Russia on energy. You can't expect them to start sanctioning Russia for ukraine, Israel/US for their middle east shenanigans, etc.

China also supports and helps maintain North Korea, and has ties with Iran.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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It's an attack on USA's AI tech giants. Destroy any hope of profitability, prevent further capitalization, ultimately bankrupt them. Hasten the popping of the AI bubble. Drag down the stock market. Put a dent in the GDP (alleged growth). Cause investors to pull back, further depressing economy. Devalue the dollar. Kicking off an interest rate doom loop. Challenge USA's hegemonic role in the emergent multi-polar (post…

Such narratives are always so US centric, as if every country in the world is obsessed by us. That's not the case. There might be foreign policy implications but the biggest reason is really nurturing their own tech independence and entrepreneurship.

Not US-centric, top dog-centric. The US is just the current top dog.

The US is a barrier to a number of key Chinese goals, like reunification with Taiwan. So of course most of what they do will take the US into consideration.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Imagine you're a mid sized company and you can host this model locally. Suddenly there are zero reasons to pay a single red cent to the bloodsucking American AI cartel.

hardware, electricity cost and other extra time consuming deployment, are they joke to you? ROI needs to positive otherwise open models have still BIG COST.

not to mention thermal sinking, this is a very overlooked part of self-hosting at scale people overlook

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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> Maybe another DeepSeek moment right here. Surely not... What made DeepSeek disruptive was that the cost was 10X lower. In this case, the cost is about 2X lower the Sol I think? At 2X, you're pretty close to the error margins due to token efficiency etc... I'd say this is "on trend" for open models catching up to frontier labs, but its not a "change in the trend" like DeepSeek was IMO.

It's different, but similar. If they release the weights, then we have a Fable / frontier model people can tinker with. Either way, it's still quite impressive and knocked a US company out of the top three (google). How long before China dominates the top-10 (if they don't already) or the #1 model?

Moonshot announced they will be making weights available by July 27

https://twitter.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2077830229968683203

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

#549

Working with chinese models is giving me a fullfilment sensation. I think that I have enough quality for the work that I need to do and lots of extra tokens to work with. With Claude and ChatGPT I reach the limits fairly easy, but not with OpenCode Go. So I will use Claude once in a while for difficult tasks to see how much better it still is (but use Chinese on a daily basis)

OpenCode Go is a great deal but I recently dumped my subscription because I found myself rarely reaching for it over my Anthropic sub (I can get 40 hours of work a week out of the $20 sub and almost never hit weekly limits). Subscribed to OpenAI as my secondary and I've been really impressed with that too so far.

I expect if they add Kimi 3 to Go the limits are going to be really low since 2.7 is already one of the most limited models and 3 is much larger.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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> In our evaluations, Kimi K3 delivers frontier-level performance. Among the models tested, its overall intelligence ranks second only to Claude Fable 5 and GPT-5.6 Sol. For the complete benchmark results, see our tech blog. The full model weights of Kimi K3 will be released in the coming days. More details on the architecture, training, and evaluation will be published together with the Kimi K3 technical report. > K…

> Maybe another DeepSeek moment right here. Surely not... What made DeepSeek disruptive was that the cost was 10X lower. In this case, the cost is about 2X lower the Sol I think? At 2X, you're pretty close to the error margins due to token efficiency etc... I'd say this is "on trend" for open models catching up to frontier labs, but its not a "change in the trend" like DeepSeek was IMO.

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