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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by nwienert »

modeless wrote: post #439
bigyabai wrote: post #285

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Did you take the Full Self Driving bets, too?

Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.

A friend of mine just got one, ex-Chrome core dev so a fairly sharp guy, his one month review was that it was incredibly capable but had already done two maneuvers that would've led to an accident without intervention.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by solumunus »

dijit wrote: post #476
solumunus wrote: post #453

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Which part of that is made up?

the part where you claim they could “prevent this”, and imply it would be trivial. Generative AI, famously, has difficult guardrails and there are constant “jailbreaks”. I guess you mean that they could have been overzealous with the prevention of all “spicy” content to prevent this, but I don’t think thats even as true as you claim.

I’m no expert but it seems quite simple to detect the presence of children in an image and detect the presence of sexual content in a prompt. They expected their model to be used for porn, did they not expect pedophiles to use it? At best it’s an embarrassingly incompetent oversight.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Lomlioto »

skissane wrote: post #221
afavour wrote: post #185

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Just as well Grok isn’t a shovel then, hey? If a shovel manufacturer was notified numerous times that their shovel was being used for murder and they had the capability to disable using the shovel for murder while retaining all legitimate uses wouldn’t people question why they didn’t do it?

> If a shovel manufacturer was notified numerous times that their shovel was being used for murder and they had the capability to disable using the shovel for murder while retaining all legitimate uses wouldn’t people question why they didn’t do it? This is impossible-nobody can possibly block all illegitimate uses without also blocking some legitimate ones as collateral damage. Any moderation process (whether automa…

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Lomlioto »

skissane wrote: post #357
afavour wrote: post #257

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I didn’t say block all illegitimate uses, though. We’re talking very specifically about disabling the production of CSAM. Which is something Grok seems to be able to do now! So I’m curious what legitimate uses had to be sacrificed in order to do so.

> I didn’t say block all illegitimate uses, though. We’re talking very specifically about disabling the production of CSAM But what is “CSAM”? If by it you mean illegal material-different jurisdictions worldwide have different laws on that topic, so material which is illegal in one jurisdiction can be legal in another.

It was CSAM enough that the EU is investigating this.

Why are you muddling the topic?

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Lomlioto »

dijit wrote: post #476
solumunus wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which part of that is made up?

the part where you claim they could “prevent this”, and imply it would be trivial. Generative AI, famously, has difficult guardrails and there are constant “jailbreaks”. I guess you mean that they could have been overzealous with the prevention of all “spicy” content to prevent this, but I don’t think thats even as true as you claim.

Nope its a lot easier to generate anything with grok than with others.

Its not magic here and is well known.

People online regularly discuss if/when grok gets more or less flexible again as they do react based on media outcry.

And no its a LOT harder to generate anything realted to porn or naked or sexual on any other big well known image generator.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by ben_w »

booi wrote: post #302
richwater wrote: post #258

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Naive.

they've literally released open weight models you can run locally

In fairness, there is no contradiction between "most trustworthy" and it being naïve to then actually trust them.

Our ability to debug or decompile artificial neural networks is only better than doing so for living neural networks because connectome scans are expensive, not because we designed the high-level architecture for the artificial ones and have all the weights in a convenient easy-to-read format: even our best experts in this are still presently akin to a drunk looking under a lamppost for their keys because that's where the light is not where they dropped them.

(They are also well aware of this and will tell you much the same, this is why so many are concerned about AI alignment etc.)

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by dolmen »

lanthissa wrote: post #199
whimsicalism wrote: post #153

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why pi over opencode? earnestly curious, trying to figure out what open solution people are consolidating on. (codex is also pseudo-open but contributions closed and nice)

pi is the neovim of agentic harnesses, its barebones and extremely configurable. if you're the sort of person who likes that sort of things its a forever product, nothing is going to displace it because you have full control. opencode builds a lot more in, which is better if you dont want to fiddle with config.

> nothing is going to displace it because you have full control

A few months back Pi was working with Gemini. But Gemini support has been removed.

Pi also doesn't work with Claude Code subscription (Anthropic counts tokens used with alternate harnesses separately).

So, in practice Pi is displaced.

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