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Post by skissane »

afavour wrote: post #185
dijit wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I use a shovel to kill a man, the shovel maker did not engage in intentionally crafting a weapon of war. How tools are used are a reflection of the people who use them, and I definitely sympathise that tools should have guardrails to not enable this, or at least detect it. But if a pedophile uses Whatsapp to groom a child; I don't go after Whatsapp for being a neutral service... I go after the pedophile.

Just as well Grok isn’t a shovel then, hey? If a shovel manufacturer was notified numerous times that their shovel was being used for murder and they had the capability to disable using the shovel for murder while retaining all legitimate uses wouldn’t people question why they didn’t do it?

> If a shovel manufacturer was notified numerous times that their shovel was being used for murder and they had the capability to disable using the shovel for murder while retaining all legitimate uses wouldn’t people question why they didn’t do it?

This is impossible-nobody can possibly block all illegitimate uses without also blocking some legitimate ones as collateral damage. Any moderation process (whether automated or human) inevitably has a non-zero false positive rate.

Now, you can argue that some misuse is so harmful, that the cost of false positives is worth it - but that’s a different claim.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by embedding-shape »

solumunus wrote: post #145
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

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Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

But how will Musk stay a trillionaire without fake AI hype?

> Just be a rocket company

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by this_user »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133
GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place.

But he also falsely assumed that OAI would die without his money. Yet, they managed to pull through, and Musk is now on the outside looking in with very little influence in the AI space. xAI is his desperate attempt to get back into the game. That is why he won't give up.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by fragmede »

cyberax wrote: post #167
IncreasePosts wrote: post #148

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Renting his boatload of GPUs to Google, Anthropic, et al

He doesn't have _that_ many. And they're also not _his_, he just got them from NVidia.

You don't have to like the guy, but buying something is typically how ownership goes. I refer to my car as mine, but I did just buy it from Honda.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by brokencode »

dijit wrote: post #186
jazzpush2 wrote: post #146

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Ok, but what if all Whatsapp competitors explicitly banned the ability to groom children on their platform, but Whataspp didn't, and directly advertised it.

I find the premise of your comment completely incredulous. I totally understand tribalism, and Elon and X aren't exactly well favoured. (not even by me) But what you're saying right now is that they advertised the fact that they can create child pornography and deepfakes.. I simply don't believe it, unless you provide evidence.

Elon himself promoted Grok’s “spicy mode” that allowed generating NSFW content that the other AI vendors wouldn’t touch with a 20 foot pole.

Believe whatever you want. Elon’s beliefs and personality problems have been baked into the core of Grok, so it’s no surprise that it turned out to be a CSAM-generating MechaHitler that steals people’s data.

Anybody surprised when Grok turns out to be trash really should read up on the guy who made it.

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Post by tomhow »

well_ackshually wrote: post #95
jamiequint wrote: post #15

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by andsoitis »

beams_of_light wrote: post #210
andsoitis wrote: post #179

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> You're allowed to exit the AI business. Isn’t it more fun to fight the incumbents, the behemoths, the goliaths?

xAI is no David.

Relative to OpenAI, Anthropic, and Google in the AI space? Absolutely.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by sieabahlpark »

this_user wrote: post #223
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

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