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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by reverius42 »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133
GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

Now that SpaceX is public, at a valuation that is both very high and supported primarily by xAI (Grok), it cannot simply go back to making rockets.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by reverius42 »

brightball wrote: post #340
Gigachad wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, to the average person grok is known for generating csam, mechahitler, and undressing people for sexual harassment. And to tech people it’s now known for stealing your files.

Reddit is not “the average person”

Right, to the actual average person, they have never heard of Grok.

The average person who has heard of Grok is already on Reddit.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by hsn915 »

tw04 wrote: post #390
hsn915 wrote: post #377

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Grok Build with Grok 4.5 is the best coding AI agent I have ever had the pleasure of using. Stopped using Fable after it.

You are literally the only person to say that, including among Tesla employees who are basically being forced to switch. Elon himself admits they’re woefully behind.

I've seen many others on Twitter say that.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Culonavirus »

Gigachad wrote: post #367
brightball wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is not “the average person”

The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.

No, there's very few >left wingWhat mainstream news and which politicians? Cnn, Msn, Bbc? Which "scandal"? You mean that Grok Imagine had some security holes that let you "put XYZ into bikini" which were promptly patched but not before the far left and professional complainers activated their "mainstream news" co-conspirators and blown this out of proportion like they do with everything Elon related (or Trump related... well at least Trump deserves it)?

Elon calls people all kinds of things almost every day. He's on the spectrum, we all know this, what's the big deal? Yea it's not his big mouth, nobody actually cares about that, the real reason why the left hates him is Twitter, or to be more specific that one fateful day when he decided to buy Twitter, throwing out the iron grip (that still continues to fester on Reddit and Wikipedia by the way) of the left on political discourse out of the (Overton) window. An isult to injury was Elon firing 80% of Twitter and nothing bad happening (except "safety" hall monitors and other do-nothings having to find jobs elsewhere). Then Elon financially supported Trump's campaign and that was the last nail in the coffin. Forever enemy.

The fact that you present this as "very few people left in the world" is peak western progressive brain rot, but I get it, it's what your people do.

Covid rules and Trump election were probably the main driving factor of speeding up the opening of platform s rules on speech, but Twitter purchase made it possible, it opened up the floodgates and many followed. (To the point that today , I would argue, Instagram is way more casually racist than X. Youtube is pretty open too compared to 5 years ago.)

Btw since leftists often play dumb and ask silly questions: if you think there are more than two genders or that the "white man" has some form of original sin that needs to be punished or that immigration enforcement is evil or you support Hamas - you are the "leftist" I'm talking about here. You are not the "normal ones", you never were, you just stole the discourse and made everyone fear stepping out and now you're mad when someone in power does that back to you. That's the truth.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by olalonde »

whimsicalism wrote: post #289
jack_pp wrote: post #174

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since pi is built to modify itself, isn't it better to use a language like typescript where LLMs have a LOT of training data? a harness doesn't do any computations by itself so what benefit is using a compiled language?

i find LLMs generally play better with compiled languages actually, they do great with rust. you can think of it almost as analogous to a harness.

They play better with statically typed languages, not compiled ones in particular. Rust's typing is stricter than Typescript though so that probably helps.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Barbing »

seanclayton wrote: post #372
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #322

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While I'm sure most of them will die, there will certainly be 1 or 2 that the community rallies behind

Why when they can just fork it and improve it on their own with AI?

Subsidized tokens aren’t forever & local models might not compete with an entire team of volunteers, I’d guess.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by Barbing »

brokencode wrote: post #352
jimmygrapes wrote: post #303

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What happened to the rule about steelmanning? I know it's chic to post super hot takes about what we assume a persons intentions are, and I know there are plenty of "if you can't see how bad they are you're the problem" type justifications; I know the supposed goal of empathy is tossed aside at first hint of disagreement whether real or perceived, and I know there is "evidence" of justification for hatred/dismissal.…

What rule about steelmanning? We’re commenting online, not writing peer reviewed research. And yeah, some people lose the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, but actions have consequences. Elon doesn’t just get to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people by eliminating USAID and expect everyone to treat him the same way. He’s made enemies for life, and he deserves it.

  Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by sidcool »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #114

This is not the right thing, this is the tactical thing. If you have an LLM with less than 1% of the share to begin with, you suffer from bad rep and you got caught uploading user data, one of the very few remaining tactical moves to try to climb out of it is this.

Sometimes the tactical thing is to do the right thing.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by modeless »

bigyabai wrote: post #285
shon wrote: post #243

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Did you take the Full Self Driving bets, too?

Yeah, I bought it in 2018 with full knowledge that it would be many years before it worked at all. Today I used it for more than an hour around town. It's amazing. I won't buy any car without an equivalent feature in the future. And today there's nothing equivalent in any other car you can buy.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by sirn »

biztos wrote: post #417
thrdbndndn wrote: post #356

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I love this kind of stuff (ASCII art, if you will), but it just breaks down too easily as soon as Unicode characters (mainly CJK, as I'm Chinese) and fonts are involved. For example, on your website, any chart or plot involving horizontal arrows breaks down because the assigned font-family (`ui-monospace, SFMono-Regular, Menlo, Consolas, monospace`, which ends up as Consolas on my machine) has no such glyph. Thus, it…

Interesting. Thai characters can also blow it out, I imagine because of the difficulty mapping glyphs to width: https://biztos.com/hey/thai-mermaid-chart.png To my surprise, Sublime Text gets it almost right: https://biztos.com/hey/sublime-thai-mermaid.png I tried finding a Thai monospace font and using that in the HTML but it was worse, probably didn't have the box drawing chars. Still a fun tool and useful for lots…

The first issue is due to the assumption that character count equals character display width. Thai tone markers usually[1] should not contribute to the display width (เพื่อน is chars = 6, width = 4), so it caused a layout shift.

The second issue is due to the program's layout engine not adjusting the glyph width of a fallback font to that of the main font. A lot of terminals do this, but it's not common for text editors or browsers (arguably this is the correct behavior for non-terminals, since you cannot assume everything must be snapped to a grid).

Fun test for this:

     |กล้วยหอม|
     |Bananas|
This has the same character width. Ghostty, etc., will render it correctly (| aligned). Most browsers and text editors will not.

[1]: some layout engines render free-standing tone markers as 1 character; in that case, this rule only applies to when tone markers are following a character.

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