Our country loves to let unregulated & addictive drugs flood into the market, let people become dependent on them, pull the rug by making them illegal, and then arrest them for trying to comply with their addiction. Destroy their lives, cripple their families, send them to prison, get cheap labor. The American way.
DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety
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#122Ah yeah surely banning more substances will be the end of the problem this time! It definitely won't just push anyone who got hooked on this non-lethal opioid towards unregulated black markets filled with lethal fentanyl... Fun fact, this is one of two """temporary""" opioid schedulings happening right now. The DEA is also banning 5,6-Dichloro Desmethylchlorphine (SR-17018), which has minimal to no recreational value…
> It is hard for me to read the combination of these two bans as anything but active malice. Reading the document... > In recent years, online forum users have begun to discuss recreational use of these four synthetic opioids and commonly compared these four synthetic opioids to other traditionally abused opioids, such as morphine and fentanyl (schedule II substances). However, unlike these two drugs that have FDA-ap…
Do you trust the DEA, especially under this administration, to be a reliable narrator?
I would strongly recommend doing your own research, because I cannot even begin to tell you how many distinct accounts I have read of people _finally_ getting through opioid withdrawals using SR-17018 for decidedly non-recreational purposes
https://www.reddit.com/r/recoverywithoutAA/comments/1t5yzoe/... https://www.reddit.com/r/recoverywithoutAA/comments/1t5yzoe/... https://www.reddit.com/r/SR17018/comments/1unksbn/my_experie... https://www.reddit.com/r/withdrawl/comments/1rk2ohi/sr17018_... ...
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#123Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.
Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... sam…
Counterpoint: https://youtu.be/TLObpcBR2yw
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#124Our country loves to let unregulated & addictive drugs flood into the market, let people become dependent on them, pull the rug by making them illegal, and then arrest them for trying to comply with their addiction. Destroy their lives, cripple their families, send them to prison, get cheap labor. The American way.
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#125Fuck the DEA -- they need to be abolished today . Then, fuck all the kratom vendors that absolutely irresponsibly market their products. I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Drugs should not be illegal -- they should be regulated, for purity and for truth in advertising (in the case of kratom making it crystal clear that addiction is inevitable with regular constant…
> I've used kratom for 10 years for pain management and it was my best option at the time. Any weird side effects. My girlfriend and I tend to use Kratom for the mild stimulant effect. The worst is ever done for me is make me nauseous enough to vomit, but I live in a state trying to ban all kratom now and the discourse around it is full of anecdotes of people claiming withdrawals as bad as heroin. Now I’m not a big h…
I found this video from a kratom user very illuminating: https://youtu.be/TLObpcBR2yw
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
The DEA enforces FDA regulations though through criminal and civil prosecution of those using otherwise DEA-legal and properly prescribed substances that are not FDA approved. Except for medical marijuana which had specific executive order to place state-licensed cannabis exempted from FDA regulation, a legally prescribed controlled substance becomes a DEA enforceable illegal substance when it is dispensed without FD…
This is mostly incorrect. The DEA enforces the Controlled Substances Act and the list of scheduled drugs, not FDA regulations. If you are out there using e.g some experimental cancer drug that hasn't been FDA approved yet, the DEA isn't going to stop you. Their mission is to stop recreational use of drugs that get you high.
FDA approval and regulation is how you end up with a legally dispensed controlled substance of a prescription. If you manage to get the controlled substances from a non-FDA approved source what you have is a pile of illegal controlled substances.
They are not going to give a shit about most experimental cancer drugs because they're not controlled substances.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sugar is required for biology. I'm no more addicted to sugar than I am to water, air or just being alive.
This is in the same category of statements as "ACTUALLY, everything in food is a chemical".
Which is true. The idea of "chemical-free" food and water is absurd.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... sam…
You have anything backing up the last bit? My intuition/life experience doesn't lead me to believe an alcoholic preferring whiskey is particularly worse off than an alcoholic preferring beer, nor that whiskey is more likely to lead one to alcoholism than beer. Claude surfaced this review tending to agree with me, with the exception of acute overdose being more of a risk with the hard stuff. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.g…
I read the article and it's a bit tricky to tease out but the negative association with spirits does exist. To summarize:
1. The quantity of alcohol consumed per occasion is most strongly associated with harms.
and
2. "The more alcohol was drunk per occasion, the higher the proportion of it which was drunk in the form of spirits"
The choice of beverage and how much was drunk was more dependent on cultural, social, and other factors.
My intuition tells me it's physically more difficult to consume more alcohol from a lower-strength beverage.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Synthetic opioids sold at gas stations.
Here in Canada you're not allowed to 3d print a modded grip for the rifle you're not allowed to buy, but in the USA you can get OPIOIDS at a GAS STATION! ... things are definitely different down there.
But the prison sentence once caught is much shorter in Canada.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to provide ID and be over 21 to purchase nicotine. You can't advertise nicotine products. You have to be licensed to sell nicotine products. Same for alcohol. Restrictions on who can buy, who can sell, and how you can advertise and market. These are not the same as some random pill from a gas station sold to anyone with cash with zero regulations, safety, restrictions, or even any requirement to tell you wha…
When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. I am not that old.
Yeah, and where are they now?