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DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by esseph »

KludgeShySir wrote: post #65
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it actually has beneficial uses let a doctor prescribe it. Kratom is extremely addictive and should be illegal yesterday.

This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues. I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade, and it has been one of the most useful substances for managing my physiology in response to my environment. It's great for stress reduction, but my most common use is actually ADHD treatment (which I doubt would be "…

> This is a very overblown assertion about kratom. I've heard of people getting addicted, but no one I've known personally has ever had any issues.

My brother in law has a horrible kratom addiction. He now lives in a car with no insurance.

> I have been using kratom almost daily for about a decade

Hmm...

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by IAmGraydon »

phil21 wrote: post #7
Krutonium wrote: post #3

Good, Kratom (as sold in products like Feel Free) is fucking awful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLObpcBR2yw

Feel Free (and similar) extracts like this are especially onerous. It's no longer Kratom powder that takes a lot of effort to get into trouble with. These extracts are not very well studied, and may be stronger than many Schedule II opioids. Especially for certain brain chemistries. In no world should Feel Free execs not be in prison at this point. They know precisely what they are doing, and their marketing is espec…

Look again. Feel Free does not contain Kratom extracts. It contains leaf.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by IAmGraydon »

Krutonium wrote: post #3

Good, Kratom (as sold in products like Feel Free) is fucking awful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLObpcBR2yw

This doesn't ban Feel Free and similar products because they don't contain 7-OH. They just contain powdered Kratom leaf.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by milesvp »

hoistbypetard wrote: post #45

Anyone got a quick primer on what 7-Oh is? That's a new term for me and the web search doesn't seem reliable.

I first learned of kratom in the last year from Elijah Lemard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5ixJIqbGY&t=267s

He's an odd guy who likes to investigate some really dodgy stuff. And I suspect many here on HN would appreciate him.

That led to 7-OH showing up in my feed at some point. In a nutshell, it's the strongest of the active compounds in the kratom plant, that binds to opioid receptors. 7-OH is the marketing name for the alkaloid 7-hydroxymitragynine that is being refined from kratom. It's not clear to me if it's simply extracted, or as some quick research suggests, it might also be a chemical alteration of the more commonly occurring compound in kratom mitragynine.

Anyway, this stuff looks super habit forming, and, of course, the refined version is that much more addictive.

Re: DEA to Temporarily Schedule 7-Oh and Related Substances to Protect Public Safety

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Post by switchbak »

sanktanglia wrote: post #88
switchbak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also you can just walk in a farmer's field, pick a mushroom out of a cow patty and boom - you're high AF! Someone should regulate cow shit, there's little to no control over it!

most states require farmers to put additives in their cow feed to specifically prevent those mushrooms, they are already actively regulated

Thank God, we can't just have people getting high for free.

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Post by [deleted] »

Centigonal wrote: post #19

Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.

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Post by mothballed »

newsclues wrote: post #60
vitally3643 wrote: post #46

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You have to provide ID and be over 21 to purchase nicotine. You can't advertise nicotine products. You have to be licensed to sell nicotine products. Same for alcohol. Restrictions on who can buy, who can sell, and how you can advertise and market. These are not the same as some random pill from a gas station sold to anyone with cash with zero regulations, safety, restrictions, or even any requirement to tell you wha…

When I was a kid, there were cigarette vending machines. I am not that old.

Kids can still order wine and cigars from the internet without ID. When I was a child I did it. The law doesn't require signature on delivery, and the deliveryman has no idea what's inside and thus will accept signature from anyone including me when I was a child.

The regulations on selling tobacco in person AFAIK are only for cigarette and cigeratte labeled type rolling tobacco. You can still order perfectly cigarette smokable "pipe" tobacco online straight from an internet "vending machine" and probably a real one. Very few people know this though because it turns out to not actually be a much of a problem.

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Post by AngryData »

sanktanglia wrote: post #88
switchbak wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also you can just walk in a farmer's field, pick a mushroom out of a cow patty and boom - you're high AF! Someone should regulate cow shit, there's little to no control over it!

most states require farmers to put additives in their cow feed to specifically prevent those mushrooms, they are already actively regulated

Got a source for that? Ive never heard of that in my life and ive worked on multiple dairy and beef farms.

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Post by eldenbishop »

Centigonal wrote: post #19

Actually reasonable decision from the DEA under RFK. Scheduling concentrated/semi-synthetic kratom products while leaving the weaker leaf-based products alone is a good compromise to reduce harm without criminalizing kratom (which has beneficial uses for opioid recovery and maintenance therapy) in general.

Raw leaf Kratom seems to be helpful for some with what I would consider a manageable and acceptable addiction danger. You can get hooked on it, realize there is an issues and cut back or come off it without it destroying your life. I see no reason to make it illegal. I've even seen is used by people to get off "harder" Kratom concentrates. Sorta like how we regulate beer and wine a bit differently than whiskey... same drug, same abuse potential in theory but massive abuse difference in practice.

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Post by BigTTYGothGF »

parineum wrote: post #82
ralph84 wrote: post #49

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And sugar

Sugar is required for biology. I'm no more addicted to sugar than I am to water, air or just being alive.

This is in the same category of statements as "ACTUALLY, everything in food is a chemical".
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