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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Self-hosting a minecraft server is still an option. And tons of customisability there and you aren't turning everything over to a centralised server.

but the other kids are playing roblox, not minecraft

And if the other kids were jumping off of bridges would you also want your kid to not miss out on that socialization?

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I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in som…

Same as for banks. Downloading some verification app with a confidence inspiring 1.2 rating on the app store, getting on a call with some random gig worker looking like they are taking the call in their living room and wiggling your ID around while giving a thumbs up is not the way I would like to prove my identity to a bank.

But there's no alternative. The EU digital identity wallet would be the alternative. You control and exactly see, what kind of information the bank is getting from you and you can be sure that it doesn't flow through some sketchy third-party identification service.

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Things look different if you’re comparing an American tech company to an American government.

That adds to the concern as a European. Thanks to the CLOUD Act, sharing data with an American tech company effectively is sharing data with the American government. And that I would definitely like to avoid.

The American government isn't going to send armed goons to my doorstep anytime soon.

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Older systems were imperfect and were understood to be. I've meet veterans who joined the Navy at 14 or 16. I've met many College students who can pass as old enough to buy alcohol, especially with a fake id. Dead people are sometimes registered to vote. We know this and have systems to try to catch these exceptions. But cellphone access is different; it's assumed to be perfect, but it's increasingly being moderated…

This year, an octogenarian friend got locked out of his android phone permanently. He had never had a PIN on his Samsung phone. It started when he signed up at a new bank, giving them his phone number. Somehow the bank enrolled his in their online banking system, which notified Samsung, who remotely initiated the "let's give your phone a pin" flow, presumably to protect him during online banking. (This happened witho…

> That's fine

No it's not. Government use of these platform or not, once they become big enough being cut out of them means being cut out of a significant part of society. We shouldn't accept "no recourse" and "no due process" just because its a private company.

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Step one in the "EU Firewall" and future credit system. Step out of line and get debanked or other things they will come up with to keep you inline.

Age verification is being pushed by US tech companies.

And we are lapping it up

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It's funny, concomittant all this chest beating about representing open societies, democracies, unlike those creepy evil authoritarian states which we don't like, that the EC seems hell bent on proving we can have a police state _just_ as intrusive if not more than say: Russia. This is not how we were supposed to prove that we are better.

> as intrusive if not more than say: Russia. Ping me when people are physically tortured by police for facebook posts, because that's what happens there.

Many examples of prison for Facebook posts in the UK. Not bad enough?

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The unintended consequence of poorly thought out regulations (good or bad) can be wild. I’m still having to deal with making some sort of legal agreement with EVERY website I visit over cookies constantly… I just don’t care anymore / click whatever.

I'm confused on why browsers can't automatically handle the cookies pop ups. It's beyond annoying and something that should just be automated since my preferences don't change.

Google started to lobby by using a dramatisation: "if it is easy to reject advertising cookies, the whole Web advertising industry will go extinct!"

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You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick. You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary. You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets. My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

You already have to provide your passport/health insurance/legal id which already has your identity to your airline/doctor/employer. Why is this suddenly a problem when it is digitized?

Because it requires Android or iOS.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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You won't be able to see a doctor when you're sick. You won't be able to open a bank account to receive your salary. You won't be able to buy train or plane tickets. My point is I am most worried that these kind of "digital verification" type things most impact actual necessities. The social media I couldn't care less about. "I just won't use it" isn't really a solution.

You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's…

Because now the digital version will require Android or iOS, which are proprietary, locked-down, crippled, American platforms.
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