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European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

reloadtak wrote: post #161
mytailorisrich wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this is all a political move. This so-called "EU sovereignty" drive is in fact aimed at further reducing sovereignty of the member states via further transfer of power and control to the EU. These digital ID wallets do exactly that. Member states lose control of the ID infrastructure, which will now be controlled by the EU. There isn't much sovereignty left at national level...

Each member state has to implement the system themselves. Where is the loss of control?

The US federal government has been doing that to the states for a while now. They don't have the constitutional authority to do something, so instead they shove a lever under something they nominally are allowed to do and tell the states "do the thing we're not allowed to, the way we tell you to, or else." Where the "or else" is something like, they collect billions of tax dollars from your constituents that you then can't use to provide them with services, and return them to only the states that bend the knee.

(The US constitution originally required federal taxes to be apportioned for exactly that reason.)

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Post by watwut »

Nicholas_C wrote: post #266
duxup wrote: post #263

The unintended consequence of poorly thought out regulations (good or bad) can be wild. I’m still having to deal with making some sort of legal agreement with EVERY website I visit over cookies constantly… I just don’t care anymore / click whatever.

I'm confused on why browsers can't automatically handle the cookies pop ups. It's beyond annoying and something that should just be automated since my preferences don't change.

The companies strongly opposed such thing in browsers. That is why.

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Post by watwut »

rcbdev wrote: post #176
toasty228 wrote: post #139

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You already can't do any of these things without some kind of governmental issued ID which already has your birthdate on it. idk why people are so scared of it, do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data ? Like yeah sure if you pay everything in cash and never use internet OK that's a big problem, but for the average HN shitposter who's…

> do you really believe they don't know what you do on your personal internet connection linked to your name and payment data? Many people in the Western Europe used, until very recently, prepaid anonymous mobile data cards that they recharged monthly with charging vouchers paid for in cash. All this ended in the last 5 - 10 years. The U.S.-American corporate glass citizen slave mentality is actually a little tad bit…

You have it other way round. USA had burner anonymous cards when European countries did not.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

inigyou wrote: post #166
jck86 wrote: post #66

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But it is needed to protect the children. The politicians say so, so it has to be true. Being against this is very dangerous to our children and democracy. There is no alternative. Seriously, there is something tremendously wrong with governance when politicians keep changing the whole world around us, without us having any say in it at all. The threat this measure poses to the internet and society is significant, ye…

Maybe we should protect the children and then they couldn't use the excuse

The scope of the things we already do to "protect the children" is tremendous. None of them have, will, or could prevent them from continuing to use it as an excuse for things that should never be done.

Re: European "age verification" "app" forcing everyone to use Android or iOS

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

Guys, you don't understand, their hands are tied! They need to make the children safe from seeing boobies by forcing mass surveillance on everyone (despite the fact that children can trivially get around it)... and to force mass surveillance on everyone, they need to capitulate to American tech companies. It's unfortunate, but you'll just have to give up your privacy.

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Post by tokai »

mghackerlady wrote: post #182
blop wrote: post #25

This is the elephant in the room regarding the big "digital sovereignty" talks in the EU. For the moment in the EU institutions the focus is mostly at the post-acceptance stage that everything must eventually migrate off US clouds. There is still some denial and hope that things will go back to "before" because it's going to be extremely costly to migrate, but at least high level EU civil servants start to see the st…

They could try and put money into funding Jolla/sailfish/whatever

That wont help anything. Then you are just force to use Android, iOS, or Sailfish. It need to be a platform agnostic thing, else you're just hitching the fulcrum of civil society on private company.

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Post by djaro »

capitainenemo wrote: post #147
wonderwonder wrote: post #130

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Thats obviously fine to do but it is very much going to have consequences for some kids. My kids spend hours a week playing roblox with their IRL friends. 10 - 15 kids on a group call on speaker phone all logged into the same code laughing and yelling for a couple hours a night. If I was to suddenly tell them that they can't play those games with their friends it would have very real effects on their social life. My…

Self-hosting a minecraft server is still an option. And tons of customisability there and you aren't turning everything over to a centralised server.

but the other kids are playing roblox, not minecraft

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Post by salutis »

stravant wrote: post #278
casey2 wrote: post #158

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Then get your kid off Roblox. I promise you that Roblox exploits more children in a single day than all sex offenders put together do in a year. Why is pedophilia such a problem on Roblox? It's because they heavily advertise towards children and one of the fastest ways for children to make money is asking their parents, then next is prostitution. Roblox is uniquely bad because they heavily advertise both products and…

People don't want to make games, they want to make multiplayer games. Very few kids are going to go though the incredible difficulty of making multiplayer work in something like Godot.

Check out Luanti. My son pulled off his own multiplayer game, by mixing some existing mods and writing a pinch of Lua. He is not into programming, and he did not even use LLM, do it was probably not all that hard. And the result was impressive, and I say that as a professional programmer.

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Post by dzjkb »

inigyou wrote: post #142
dzjkb wrote: post #131

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>how do you verify age without verifying identity zero-knowledge proofs

Then you only know that someone is over 18. You don't know who is over 18. In particular, you don't know it's the person who's accessing your website.

that's the same situation as children putting in their parents details/scanning their face/whatever, you're not going to solve this technically

the point is non-govt entities shouldn't get any information about you during age verification other than that you're over 18 and that's what ZKP can give you

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Post by dzjkb »

knorker wrote: post #148
dzjkb wrote: post #131

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>how do you verify age without verifying identity zero-knowledge proofs

Your comment sounds like a politician who has just heard a magic technical incantation that solves everything. I'm sorry, you can't just drop "quantum computer", or "zero knowledge proof", or "flux capacitor", and think that you have solved the problem. Just dropping "zero-knowledge proof" as if it's a mic drop moment is like when Turnbull said "the laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that appl…

literally 0 substance in a 5 paragraph comment, I'm starting to think this might be a not-exactly-human poster
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