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The EU pricks that pushed Chat Control is... American oligarch Ashton Kutcher. https://edri.org/our-work/how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-e...
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That wont help anything. Then you are just force to use Android, iOS, or Sailfish. It need to be a platform agnostic thing, else you're just hitching the fulcrum of civil society on private company.
Private companies providing public services is really not a rare thing.
Who do you think said it was?
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As another European, I agree with GP. I don't fully trust my government. But I definitely trust it more than any American tech company. I can also vote out my government. I can't do that for Big Tech.
Things look different if you’re comparing an American tech company to an American government.
That adds to the concern as a European. Thanks to the CLOUD Act, sharing data with an American tech company effectively is sharing data with the American government.
And that I would definitely like to avoid.
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The EU pricks that pushed Chat Control is... American oligarch Ashton Kutcher. https://edri.org/our-work/how-a-hollywood-star-lobbies-the-e...
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You're moving the goalposts from "pushing". It also leaves a bad taste in ones mouth that you brought up his Jewish background unprompted.
I do wonder how your account is still active. Every time I see your name, it is in connection with you lowering the quality of conversation by introducing aggressive ad-hominems, dehumanizing language, insults and attempts to derail instead of engagement with points made. This time, it even has strong undertones of antisemitic Jewish world conspiracy theories. Is this level of discourse really what we should be striving for around here?
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#316Don't fall for the trap. The question isn't how we should technically force age verification on anybody. The question is why they're pushing it onto everyone. I did not consent to this, neither did you.
But it is needed to protect the children. The politicians say so, so it has to be true. Being against this is very dangerous to our children and democracy. There is no alternative. Seriously, there is something tremendously wrong with governance when politicians keep changing the whole world around us, without us having any say in it at all. The threat this measure poses to the internet and society is significant, ye…
> The politicians say so, so it has to be true.
The Politician's Syllogism (or Fallacy) [0]:
1. We must do something.
2. This is something.
3. Therefore, we must do this.
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#317I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in som…
I hear you on the overall privacy issues related to age verification with US Corps. My concern with government registries of personal information is related to things like: - Netherlands, WWII: The Dutch civil registry meticulously recorded religion. It’s a major reason ~75% of Dutch Jews were killed, the highest rate in occupied Western Europe (vs ~25% in France, where records were poorer). - US, Japanese internment…
My opinions is that an idiotic government will use whatever data it can find, and we should be more worried that one appears than imagine that because they do not have some data they will not do some idiocy.
I am not for collecting all data without a reason, sometimes probably too much is collected. But idiots can come with any rule if they want just to find someone to blame (I mean, they already use skin color or accent so if in need, they can come up with a rule like "born on a Monday").
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I doubt those representatives gathered a sufficient mandate from their public given the huge consequence. I’m no conspiracy theorist, but it does seem that there’s an international influence outweighing democracy. Cui bono?
I think that's trying to see something that isn't there, just to try and make some sense out of things. The reality is much simpler - they are elected parlimentarians, same as any regional government, and they vote without much thought based on quick brief summary. System to protect the children? Sounds great, let's vote yes - anyone who doesn't is a pedo, right?
I'm sure there was some passive agreement involved, and probably some "politician's syllogism" too.
But the null hypothesis is that there is no new legislation to vote on. It must have come from somewhere!
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> I can also vote out my government. You can't. Not if you're in the minority. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. You what you as an individual most certainly can do is stop using Roblox. Not ideal, but way easier than moving to a new country.
Tyranny of the majority is ... democracy?!
Not necessarily.
You can democratically trample the rights of minority groups.
Since it hasn't been linked in the tree of replies here, I'll add this for others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
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Government is demanding age verification because the websites and platforms completely punted on the issue of keeping inappropriate content from children. Yes parents have a role here but we live in a society and we depend on/demand everyone doing their part. We (the tech sector) made our own bed here.
> Government is demanding age verification because the websites and platforms completely punted on the issue of keeping inappropriate content from children. Nah. Parental Controls are baked into every major consumer OS. If government cared about giving guardians the tools needed to care for the vulnerable ones they're responsible for, they'd require those parental controls to be beefed up [0] and that it be a require…
Parental controls, at minimum, need to be unified. I should be able to deal with the Xbox at the same time as the iPhone. Need a new standard. I need to be able to whitelist and blacklist times and dates, drill down into particular apps/games/services with some decent granularity, do conditional whitelisting, etc. I need a big red killswitch for these right at the top of the parental control app.
Parental controls aren't baked in, they're bolted on and half-assed. One of them I've noticed over the years... I can't disallow Plex except at the app level (outside of Plex entirely). I can't easily give access to the educational libraries, but disallow it to the entertainment libraries. There are a million little anecdotes like that, because no one gives a shit about the problem.
Many parents, I think, are left with all-or-nothing choices. And it's not long before the reddit crowd starts insinuating that the reason your kid doesn't have a phone is so they can't call for help... from you.
It's a big clusterfuck.