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How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by tim333 »

999900000999 wrote: post #50
tim333 wrote: post #48

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London has a ton of ethnic Russians who do fine under a NATO regime that's hostile to Russia. Russia had long tolerated NATO on it's borders in Latvia and Estonia and is now OK with Finland. NATO is really a defensive alliance that has never attacked any of the countries it borders. The whole Russia NATO thing is mostly BS to justify invasions while really doing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_irredentism .

Given many in US leadership still want to march straight to Moscow, do you believe US troops stationed in Ukraine wouldn’t be used for said purposes? You can say NATO has never engaged in an offense war, but a majority of its members did participate in the Iraq war as the Coalition of the Willing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing_(Iraq... It’s literally impossible for Russia to defend a ground i…

Well, I said NATO had never invaded bordering countries. Iraq doesn't border and also members of NATO can do their own thing. I think NATO did get roped into involvement in Serbia by the US but it's not their mission.

Re. ground troops dining in Red Square, firstly Latvia is also about six hours drive from Moscow as well so going via Kyiv wouldn't make much difference. Secondly there is the small business of the worlds largest nuclear arsenal and many troops to put off invaders. And thirdly many countries border NATO countries and seem to manage to deal with it without freaking out and invading others.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by red-iron-pine »

delichon wrote: post #3

> The solution was a market and "currency" for units to buy equipment and supplies. Brigade-level units purchase drones directly from the manufacturers using the "Brave" marketplace. The currency in the marketplace is points that units earn from video-confirmed kills of Russians. Drones flow to the most effective units, those units work closely with the manufacturers, and they can choose from a range of options depen…

> How does the US military industrial complex react to that idea?

non-stop ads on the DC metro

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bribes to congressmen, generals, etc.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Thraway198 »

999900000999 wrote: post #46
Thraway198 wrote: post #40

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Joining NATO is obviously the correct choice for countries like Ukraine, as evidenced by Russia's ongoing actions towards them. Perhaps if Mexico had a long history of being invaded, divided up, and "Americanized," they would be part of a Military Alliance against American Aggression. As they should. The German people weren't on trial at Nuremberg.

The US has a very long history of invading and interfering in almost every Latin American country. It’s hard to keep count, but we just kidnapped the sovereign head of state of Venezuela. Depending on who you asked we did so to stop a potential foreign military base from being located in Venezuela. Or we just felt like stealing Venezuelan oil. Cuba is still embargoed. The Iraq war had various war crimes. But for some…

Yeah and? Like I said, if Mexico had the reasons for it, they should join an alliance to guard against USA aggression.

And then if the USA said "we gotta invade Mexico because we're threatened by the alliance they set up to counter OUR aggression," that would be a bit hypocritical I think!

I'm not defending the US, you're preoccupied with attacking them. Ukraine has every right to join NATO because Russia is a threat to them, not because of the US.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Thraway198 »

Beijinger wrote: post #44
Thraway198 wrote: post #35

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Russia is about to show what it's really made of. If it can't win against Ukraine's scaled-up defence industry, then I gotta say, all these doomsayers and West-Putin equivocators will look pretty dumb.

Germany had 4000 tanks during the cold war. It has now 350, 200 in working condition. She has ammunition for two days, now down to one because they gave a lot to Ukraine. Denmark has give all her ammunition to Ukraine. There is little of equipment left. And nobody willing to fight in the West. For what? For a crumbling economy? Unaffordable house prices? Collapsing social systems because two many immigrants draw from…

This is a pretty ignorant take mate (I thought you were American? I'm not from the EU). All I can say is don't be surprised when your prophet turns out to be wrong.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Thraway198 »

Beijinger wrote: post #43
Thraway198 wrote: post #36

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Your link says absolutely nothing about Ukraine losing the war with Russia.

This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/opinion/emmanuel-todd-dec... Emmanuel Todd: "Russia has won the war, the Ukrainian army is in its death throes" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2zI3vzLKmao

Wow a YouTube short with no info and a paywalled article from 2024. Very convincing.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Sabinus »

Beijinger wrote: post #45
Sabinus wrote: post #34

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What percentage of the aid do you think was stolen?

No idea. But I know some people we could ask: The "Monaco Battalion" (Batysalion Monako) is not an official military unit, but rather an ironic nickname given by Ukrainian media (such as Ukrainska Pravda) to a network of wealthy Ukrainian oligarchs, politicians, and businesspeople. This group relocated to the French Riviera to sit out the war.

Do you have a particular amount of corruption in mind before Ukraine is disqualified from receiving Western aid, or are you 'just asking questions'?

Have the efforts of the Ukrainian anti corruption agencies and the defence of them by the Ukrainian public made any impression on you?

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Sabinus »

Beijinger wrote: post #42
Sabinus wrote: post #33

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Russia is not entitled to swallow any neighbour that looks at them funny. Neither are we required to stand by and do nothing for the fear of the possibility that Russia will become more belligerent. Russia thought the Ukrainians wouldn't put up much resistance and launched a war of conquest to prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. It's failed in it's gamble and it has to experience the consequences. Russia often refor…

I am sure the US would have been very happy if Mexico would have joined the Soviet Union. Wasn't there something with Cuba?

Joining the EU doesn't usually involve the mass murder and/or incarceration of a whole class of people. Joining the EU brings obvious prosperity while the Soviet Union locks you in to a government structure doomed to economic failure.

Yeah there was something with Cuba. America attempted the same thing in Cuba as the 2014 Ukraine rebellion Russia fomented and equipped, but instead of failing in 8 years, it utterly failed immediately and the Americans didn't decide to double down on their failure and actually invade like Russia has. America then allowed Cuba to be a Soviet ally, for everything except for forward deployed nuclear weapons which it then removed from Turkey.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Thraway198 wrote: post #56
Beijinger wrote: post #43

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This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/opinion/emmanuel-todd-dec... Emmanuel Todd: "Russia has won the war, the Ukrainian army is in its death throes" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2zI3vzLKmao

Wow a YouTube short with no info and a paywalled article from 2024. Very convincing.

Here you go: https://archive.ph/RWSG3

Or use pass paywalls clean plug-in.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Sabinus wrote: post #57
Beijinger wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No idea. But I know some people we could ask: The "Monaco Battalion" (Batysalion Monako) is not an official military unit, but rather an ironic nickname given by Ukrainian media (such as Ukrainska Pravda) to a network of wealthy Ukrainian oligarchs, politicians, and businesspeople. This group relocated to the French Riviera to sit out the war.

Do you have a particular amount of corruption in mind before Ukraine is disqualified from receiving Western aid, or are you 'just asking questions'? Have the efforts of the Ukrainian anti corruption agencies and the defence of them by the Ukrainian public made any impression on you?

Well, I would not send "aid" to Switzerland too. Does this answer your question?
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