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How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by mopsi »

999900000999 wrote: post #25
Beijinger wrote: post #4

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This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine. The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia. Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders. I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to statio…

  > Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders.
There weren't any anywhere in Eastern Europe before Russia invaded Ukraine.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Sabinus wrote: post #33
Beijinger wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine is not winning. This is a distorted view in the west, and I am not Russian. Just a few more billions and Russia will collapse. Russia is not fighting Ukraine, Russia is fighting NATO. And we are in dangerous territory. Emmanuell Todd predicted this and this is not a person to be taken lightly (e.g. predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976 as a 26 years old PhD student): https://americanaffairsjourn…

Russia is not entitled to swallow any neighbour that looks at them funny. Neither are we required to stand by and do nothing for the fear of the possibility that Russia will become more belligerent. Russia thought the Ukrainians wouldn't put up much resistance and launched a war of conquest to prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. It's failed in it's gamble and it has to experience the consequences. Russia often refor…

I am sure the US would have been very happy if Mexico would have joined the Soviet Union. Wasn't there something with Cuba?

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Thraway198 wrote: post #36
Beijinger wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine is not winning. This is a distorted view in the west, and I am not Russian. Just a few more billions and Russia will collapse. Russia is not fighting Ukraine, Russia is fighting NATO. And we are in dangerous territory. Emmanuell Todd predicted this and this is not a person to be taken lightly (e.g. predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976 as a 26 years old PhD student): https://americanaffairsjourn…

Your link says absolutely nothing about Ukraine losing the war with Russia.

This Prophetic Academic Now Foresees the West’s Defeat https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/09/opinion/emmanuel-todd-dec...

Emmanuel Todd: "Russia has won the war, the Ukrainian army is in its death throes" https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2zI3vzLKmao

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Thraway198 wrote: post #35
Beijinger wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ukraine is not winning. This is a distorted view in the west, and I am not Russian. Just a few more billions and Russia will collapse. Russia is not fighting Ukraine, Russia is fighting NATO. And we are in dangerous territory. Emmanuell Todd predicted this and this is not a person to be taken lightly (e.g. predicting the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1976 as a 26 years old PhD student): https://americanaffairsjourn…

Russia is about to show what it's really made of. If it can't win against Ukraine's scaled-up defence industry, then I gotta say, all these doomsayers and West-Putin equivocators will look pretty dumb.

Germany had 4000 tanks during the cold war. It has now 350, 200 in working condition. She has ammunition for two days, now down to one because they gave a lot to Ukraine.

Denmark has give all her ammunition to Ukraine.

There is little of equipment left. And nobody willing to fight in the West. For what? For a crumbling economy? Unaffordable house prices? Collapsing social systems because two many immigrants draw from them? (Germany, UK)?

Good luck mate. I am not going to fight.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by Beijinger »

Sabinus wrote: post #34
Beijinger wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why all the down votes?

What percentage of the aid do you think was stolen?

No idea. But I know some people we could ask:

The "Monaco Battalion" (Batysalion Monako) is not an official military unit, but rather an ironic nickname given by Ukrainian media (such as Ukrainska Pravda) to a network of wealthy Ukrainian oligarchs, politicians, and businesspeople. This group relocated to the French Riviera to sit out the war.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by 999900000999 »

Thraway198 wrote: post #40
999900000999 wrote: post #39

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>Mexico wanted to join a trade bloc with China, A trade block of which the majority of it's members are in NATO. Don't forget John Mc Cain, who never saw a war he didn't like, took a personal visit to Ukraine. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-uk... Do you think he came to hand out cupcakes ? >the British weren't very into it, Was that a valid defense at Nuremberg?

Joining NATO is obviously the correct choice for countries like Ukraine, as evidenced by Russia's ongoing actions towards them. Perhaps if Mexico had a long history of being invaded, divided up, and "Americanized," they would be part of a Military Alliance against American Aggression. As they should. The German people weren't on trial at Nuremberg.

The US has a very long history of invading and interfering in almost every Latin American country.

It’s hard to keep count, but we just kidnapped the sovereign head of state of Venezuela.

Depending on who you asked we did so to stop a potential foreign military base from being located in Venezuela.

Or we just felt like stealing Venezuelan oil.

Cuba is still embargoed.

The Iraq war had various war crimes. But for some reason no convicted war criminals.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by tim333 »

thisislife2 wrote: post #6
delichon wrote: post #3

> The solution was a market and "currency" for units to buy equipment and supplies. Brigade-level units purchase drones directly from the manufacturers using the "Brave" marketplace. The currency in the marketplace is points that units earn from video-confirmed kills of Russians. Drones flow to the most effective units, those units work closely with the manufacturers, and they can choose from a range of options depen…

> Drones flow to the most effective units I guess that can work if the major battles are concentrated only at a few point. But what happens when it is spread out along a huge frontline? You can't really prioritise for "effective" if you also need to prioritise for "necessity"?

I think they get basic gear as standard but can get extra kit for points for getting results.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by tim333 »

999900000999 wrote: post #25
Beijinger wrote: post #4

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This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine. The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia. Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders. I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to statio…

London has a ton of ethnic Russians who do fine under a NATO regime that's hostile to Russia.

Russia had long tolerated NATO on it's borders in Latvia and Estonia and is now OK with Finland. NATO is really a defensive alliance that has never attacked any of the countries it borders.

The whole Russia NATO thing is mostly BS to justify invasions while really doing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_irredentism.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by rainworld »

Beijinger wrote: post #42
Sabinus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia is not entitled to swallow any neighbour that looks at them funny. Neither are we required to stand by and do nothing for the fear of the possibility that Russia will become more belligerent. Russia thought the Ukrainians wouldn't put up much resistance and launched a war of conquest to prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. It's failed in it's gamble and it has to experience the consequences. Russia often refor…

I am sure the US would have been very happy if Mexico would have joined the Soviet Union. Wasn't there something with Cuba?

This year, so far and among other things, we’ve had an illegal war against Iran, an illegal blockade against Cuba, hundreds of civilians murdered in the Caribbean, the murder of a head of state, the abduction of another. As well as the continued support for Zionist genociding. No meaningful protest from Western regimes, Western media, and most of the enthusiasts here. Might makes right is the whole of the law—as long as it’s the West‘s.

Re: How Ukraine Built a War Fighting State

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Post by 999900000999 »

tim333 wrote: post #48
999900000999 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article was pretty light on the sheer amount of Western aid provided to Ukraine. The whole thing is a cluster. A ton of Ukrainian people *are* ethnically Russian, particularly in the east. They aren’t exactly going to be ok under a NATO backed regime that’s hostile to Russia. Russia shouldn’t tolerate NATO troops stationed on one of its longest land borders. I guarantee if the Chinese worked out a deal to statio…

London has a ton of ethnic Russians who do fine under a NATO regime that's hostile to Russia. Russia had long tolerated NATO on it's borders in Latvia and Estonia and is now OK with Finland. NATO is really a defensive alliance that has never attacked any of the countries it borders. The whole Russia NATO thing is mostly BS to justify invasions while really doing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_irredentism .

Given many in US leadership still want to march straight to Moscow, do you believe US troops stationed in Ukraine wouldn’t be used for said purposes?

You can say NATO has never engaged in an offense war, but a majority of its members did participate in the Iraq war as the Coalition of the Willing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_of_the_willing_(Iraq...

It’s literally impossible for Russia to defend a ground invasion staged from Ukraine. Coalition( or whatever they call it) troops could be dining in Red Square within 24 hours.

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