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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by metoobruh » Sun, Jul 12, 2026, 11:43 PM UTC

wartywhoa23 wrote: post #200

metoobruh wrote: post #197

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I am an American and what you are saying is 100% correct. You're just about 10 levels above the knowledge/understanding of the highly propagandized geeks who post here. Quoted for truth: > I don't consider Russians and Ukrainians as two sides of the conflict. The real sides are some third party in control of military forces and narratives of both sides vs the populace of both countries. This is a war of false flag op…

> In your country are they trying to set the stage for a future fake "alien invasion", just like they have been doing here for a long time? They have hard time with pushing even the current stages of the agenda. The launch of the wildly, and I mean wildly unpopular CBDC, ahem, digital rouble was postponed multiple times, but this time "the real deal" is scheduled by the Russian Central Bank for this autumn. The selli…

Here it's the opposite--they have been very quiet and cautious about pushing CBDC, flying low under the radar, moving slowly and carefully. They just eliminated the penny (1 cent coin) and have the nickel (5 cent) in their crosshairs next. Cash usage is still strong in my rural area, but card usage is continually growing.

There was a mysterious "coin shortage" which suddenly arose during COVID for unexplained reasons, which was pushed by the big chain stores. Apparently locally owned stores, credit unions, etc didn't get that memo, as they never did mention any "coin shortage." Even at the big stores, there was no problem paying with cash and receiving change. It's clear what they're doing.

More and more self-checkout registers are card-only now, with only one cash machine. Eventually that will be gone when the timing is right.

It's nice to hear that the agenda has been unpopular in your area vs. the masses of clueless sheep walking into the slaughterhouse here, but unfortunately they will get their way in the end regardless. Here all NWO goals will be achieved by complete destruction of the country and government and crushing of all resistance afterward. In Russia however, who are planned to be victors in the war, in some ways it will be worse.

One of my great grandfathers knew that WW2 was a lie and that everything was propaganda, so he decided to "opt out" of the draft. He pretended to be sick, but they didn't believe him and put him in a brig where he sat out the war. Otherwise he would have fought in the Pacific theater and would have likely died in agony in some island battle, as they had planned for him. Instead he came back home in disgrace to a victorious nation, and was branded a coward and loser for the rest of his life.

When Russia is victorious it will likewise be bad luck to have opposed the government or avoided the war, for decades to come. Be warned. It may be best to escape to Siberia and disappear into the forest for years, emerging decades later all surprised like you didn't even know there was a war, lol.

For my part, I saw all this coming many years ago and am well off grid at this point. So they won't be drafting me into this one either, and there won't be anyone left alive to shame me about it later.

God bless you too, friend!

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by megous » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 12:32 AM UTC

Pay08 wrote: post #83

megous wrote: post #72

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This is just complete fantasy.

Saying to your subordinates they can kill 20 or so untargeted people per whatever their AI marked as a target is exactly that: accepted 5% "combatant" worst case kill ratio as a policy. And the reality of erasing thousands of families during the night attacks on their homes and just killing them all without distinction, checks out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entire_families_killed...

And Israelis will absolutely automate all that even further, even if this was just half automated early on. Their companies already advertise the capability with real videos from Gaza, killing unarmed people.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by throwawaytea » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 4:00 AM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #189

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #187

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Stop. The whole thing is ridiculous from simple historical perspective. Poland was razed down, pillaged, 'visited', 'saved', enriched and whole host of other euphemisms over the course of its hundreds of years of various types of existence by a rather long list of conquerors. Sigh, it is not bad faith. If anything, it is bad faith to pretend past did not happen.

Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.

They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by mopsi » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 5:01 AM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #198

psd1 wrote: post #182

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You're not exactly wrong, but it's disingenuous to paint the expansion of a defensive alliance of independent nations in the same light as annexation of sovereign nations by military force. For accuracy, replace "NATO" with "countries united in condemnation of Russia's invasion". The iron curtain pushed west on tanks; it's being pushed back by choice. Russia inoculated citizens against its own propaganda by disappear…

> of a defensive alliance NATO is an offensive alliance, and its activities in this century have demonstrated this. Unless you mean "defensive" as in the now-renamed US "Department of Defense". > of independent nations Also, many of its members are only partially independent, when it comes to global strategic matters. And that's not getting into whether EU member nations are in fact independent; I can introduce you t…

  > With Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia did not annex; those areas seceded from Ukraine, declared independence and fought a protracted war against the Ukrainian Army for some years.

The European Court of Human Rights investigated this in their verdict relating to the shootdown of the Malaysian airliner. The court found no evidence of any separatist movement, any seccession or independence. Instead, the court found that the whole thing had been under Russian military command from the get-go, carried out by a mix of Russian military, operatives of special services and local collaborators acting under direct orders from Russians.

The verdict: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/?i=001-244292

Key part:

  The reality of the relationship between the separatists on the one hand and the respondent State [Russia] on the other was such that, whatever their legal status, the separatists were completely dependent on military, political and economic support from the respondent State to carry out their activities and were, ultimately, a mere instrument of that State. It is for these reasons that the Court was persuaded that, from 11 May 2014, the relationship of the separatists to the Russian Federation was so much one of dependence on the one side and control on the other that it would be right to equate the separatists in the “DPR” and the “LPR” with de facto organs of the Russian Federation, within the meaning of Article 4 ARSIWA. Any other solution would allow States to avoid their Convention obligations by choosing to act through entities whose supposed independence is purely fictitious.

There's nothing new about this. Russians did the same in the 1940s when they invaded Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. They staged coups, created fake "people's governments", and those governments promptly asked to be absorbed by Russians. The same was attempted with Finland too. For a short period, an absurd fictitious entity called the Finnish Democratic Republic existed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Democratic_Republic

At this point, it's such a common Russian strategy that in several European countries children learn about in the middle school, from the times when it was used against their own countries.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yakshaving_jgt » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 9:54 AM UTC

throwawaytea wrote: post #203

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.

They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.

Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant.

In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 12:43 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #198

psd1 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not exactly wrong, but it's disingenuous to paint the expansion of a defensive alliance of independent nations in the same light as annexation of sovereign nations by military force. For accuracy, replace "NATO" with "countries united in condemnation of Russia's invasion". The iron curtain pushed west on tanks; it's being pushed back by choice. Russia inoculated citizens against its own propaganda by disappear…

> of a defensive alliance NATO is an offensive alliance, and its activities in this century have demonstrated this. Unless you mean "defensive" as in the now-renamed US "Department of Defense". > of independent nations Also, many of its members are only partially independent, when it comes to global strategic matters. And that's not getting into whether EU member nations are in fact independent; I can introduce you t…

> Ukraine's sovereignty after the 2014 coup

This phrasing, referring to the Maidan in 2014 as a "coup" is reliable indicator of pro-Russia crankery.

> With Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia did not annex; those areas seceded from Ukraine, declared independence

Yep, here is more of it.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by einpoklum » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 1:56 PM UTC

mopsi wrote: post #204

einpoklum wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> of a defensive alliance NATO is an offensive alliance, and its activities in this century have demonstrated this. Unless you mean "defensive" as in the now-renamed US "Department of Defense". > of independent nations Also, many of its members are only partially independent, when it comes to global strategic matters. And that's not getting into whether EU member nations are in fact independent; I can introduce you t…

> With Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia did not annex; those areas seceded from Ukraine, declared independence and fought a protracted war against the Ukrainian Army for some years. The European Court of Human Rights investigated this in their verdict relating to the shootdown of the Malaysian airliner. The court found no evidence of any separatist movement, any seccession or independence. Instead, the court found that th…

> The "Europe Court of Human Rights"(
Why do you see that institute as the authority on the secession of Donetsk and Lugansk? Both in principle, and considering how the legal procedure you refer to was purely ex-parte, by an institute of an entity belligerent to Russia, so that both the court and the parts involved were all hostile to it.

> Russians did the same in the 1940s*

So, going back to the cold war is insufficient, you want to make analogies to Stalin's USSR in the 1940s? That's almost all the way to Godwin's law.

Still, you are making my point, in that the war in Ukraine is perceived as NATO's war, or the US-and-EU's war, to fend off the evil Russians like in the old days.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by mopsi » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 2:30 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #207

mopsi wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With Donetsk and Lugansk, Russia did not annex; those areas seceded from Ukraine, declared independence and fought a protracted war against the Ukrainian Army for some years. The European Court of Human Rights investigated this in their verdict relating to the shootdown of the Malaysian airliner. The court found no evidence of any separatist movement, any seccession or independence. Instead, the court found that th…

> The "Europe Court of Human Rights"( Why do you see that institute as the authority on the secession of Donetsk and Lugansk? Both in principle, and considering how the legal procedure you refer to was purely ex-parte, by an institute of an entity belligerent to Russia, so that both the court and the parts involved were all hostile to it. > Russians did the same in the 1940s* So, going back to the cold war is insuffi…

  > Why do you see that institute as the authority on the secession of Donetsk and Lugansk?

It is one of the most respected courts on the planet, and the verdict is long and detailed when it comes to describing the smokescreen Russians deployed to hide their role. All the key facts are nicely laid out, notable people and events are mentioned.

Nothing described there is meaningfully contested by anyone other than talking heads on the Russian state TV and the cheap whores who parrot their talking points in the west. The commander of the 2014 invasion force is a public figure and used to hold multi-hour livestreams where he talked about the same things; namely, that his forces were directly responsible for the war, and that there was no groundroots support for them among the locals in Ukraine. He often complained that the 2014 invasion stalled because Moscow did not allocate him enough soldiers, tanks and artillery to work with.

  > So, going back to the cold war is insufficient, you want to make analogies to Stalin's USSR in the 1940s? That's almost all the way to Godwin's law.

Not at all. There are more recent examples too, from the 1990s:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia

Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are just some of the oldest examples of this. At this point, you have to be intentionally trolling to take these "people's republics" propped up by Russian military with any credibility. Russians have been abusing the concept of peoples' right to self-determination for about as long as the concept has existed, to justify territorial expansion.

  > Still, you are making my point, in that the war in Ukraine is perceived as NATO's war, or the US-and-EU's war, to fend off the evil Russians like in the old days.

No, the level of US and European involvement does not warrant such framing. North Korea has gone further than any of them and deployed actual troops by tens of thousands to the frontlines in support of Russia, and yet nobody calls it a North Korean-Ukrainian war because that would be a poor description of the nature of this war.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by ponector » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 2:53 PM UTC

einpoklum wrote: post #177

ponector wrote: post #112

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How is it a NATO-russia war of NATO is not taking a participation? You can call it NATO-Iran, or NATO-NKorea war as well. Ukraine-Nkorea war? At least there were direct contacts between their forces.

NATO is certainly participating: * It supplies most ammunition and arms and much of the equipment. * It funds most of the war effort, including arms & ammunition, salaries, covering some of the civilian budget etc. Total expenditure by "Western" countries in the period 2014-2026 is 380 Billion USD [1] and the vast majority of that is by NATO; some by other US allies. * Its members train Ukrainian forces. * It imposes…

Many countries are sending aid to Ukraine, as well as some are sending aid and troops to russia. You should call it WW3, where NATO is fighting Axis powers (russia, NKorea, Iran).

>> Ukraine has already signed off half of all of its material resources to the US, the lead state of NATO

That is not what signed document is about, you should try to read the content instead of what russia today said about it.

>> A negotiations process in Istanbul, having reached a draft agreement which would have concluded the war, in early 2022, was vetoed by NATO, or at least the US and the UK.

No agreement was reached as russia wanted a surrender. putin should have taken a deal back then and keep control of the occupied lands.

ps: I hope you are paid well for spreading russian narratives.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 » Mon, Jul 13, 2026, 5:30 PM UTC

yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #205

throwawaytea wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They literally celebrate the group that did it, tofl this day. Zalensky recently had a medal/award rescinded by Poland because of it.

Please assume that the people you are talking to you are not ignorant. In this case, I believe I am substantially more up to date with both Ukrainian and Polish politics than you are. From your comments, it appears your knowledge on the topic is superficial at best.

Hmm, lets assume you know more than anyone on this board regarding Ukrainian and Polish politics ( you may well do that ). But this only confers knowledge upon you, but not, for lack of a better term, wisdom and understanding. I do not suggest I am a paragon of the latter ( or the former for that matter ), but I know just enough to know evasion ( 'Nobody is pretending this didn’t happen. Least of all the Ukrainians.' ), when I see one.