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How to hide from killer drones

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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

LED display tiles showing the map driven over?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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> Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? Don't you know that big bad Ukraine forced innocent little Russia into this war?! (Do I need to add the sarcasm mark?) > but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..? Actually, to some extent, that is the case. Russia has been conscripting violent criminals (generally murderers and rapists), who, unlike normal pri…

Russia emptied the prisons years ago. The able bodied men of Donetsk and Luhansk were rounded up and fed to grinder years ago as well. The wanton slaughter of their own people has been startling and depraved for their unending exuberance.

The minorities from the regions came next. Then came the allies from the antiimperialist block days. Now they reach for the gullible of the world.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Given that the drone is going on a one way trip, I imagine you'd want to use the cheapest hardware possible which would mean using the dumbest model you can get away with.

Depends on the value of the target. Costs Ukraine $918 to kill a Russian soldier[1] but if you’re using a fully offline automated swarm to destroy a petro system worth billions then what’s a few GPUs strapped to each one to run local models.

[1] https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-s-drone-chief-reveal...

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

CIWS might be effective against fixed wing since they fly mostly in straight lines, it won’t work effectively against multirotors that can quickly change direction and maneuver around, now add swarm of them, and it will overwhelm CIWS. That of course, assuming it was detected which is a whole process by itself.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

A CIWS can only fire at one direction at a time, so 2+1 drones has an extremely high chance of taking it out for around $2500 or less. CIWS is multiple magnitudes more expensive. Also can't use CIWS near troops and fpvs. P1-SUN and equivalent are the answer there.

You mean P1-SUN interceptor drones?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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The difference is that a neural network you can fit on a drone is going to be a lot less capable than an LLM you can run on a desktop.

You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Not just winged drone, we have had jetson on far more smaller 7in multirotors, plus other boards for network etc.

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Just beware that being part of the drone team isnt some comfy safe job far from danger, they are the most hated type of unit currently since they are deciding large part of this war (and any future war it seems). I see videos of ie glide bombs used by both sides targetting specifically positions of drone teams. If all this is clear and you go ahead, all the power to ya, fighting evil in this world is highly commendab…

> fighting evil in this world is highly commendable Except more often than not it is fighting not evil but sleeping civilians who don't support this war, which is not even war in the strict sense of the word, but a deliberate meatgrinder set up to devour as much human beings on both sides as its orchestrators can get away with, for as long as possible.

If Russian civilians stopped sleeping and took up arms against their government, then maybe this war could end. The people responsible are all members of the Russian government, and Russian people's apathy (or in many cases support for the war) enables them.
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