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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by orthoxerox »

yogthos wrote: post #24
orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

The difference is that a neural network you can fit on a drone is going to be a lot less capable than an LLM you can run on a desktop.

You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by le-mark »

Pay08 wrote: post #54
vanviegen wrote: post #49

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Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? And what 'orchestrators' exactly do you think benefit from sending their soldiers through a meat grinder? Yes, Russia (not Ukraine) has done a lot of that, but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..?

> Is there any evidence suggesting that Ukraine is targeting civilians? Don't you know that big bad Ukraine forced innocent little Russia into this war?! (Do I need to add the sarcasm mark?) > but you seem to think that getting their own soldiers killed was their goal..? Actually, to some extent, that is the case. Russia has been conscripting violent criminals (generally murderers and rapists), who, unlike normal pri…

Russia emptied the prisons years ago. The able bodied men of Donetsk and Luhansk were rounded up and fed to grinder years ago as well. The wanton slaughter of their own people has been startling and depraved for their unending exuberance.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by zh3 »

orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

Absolutely this will work, it's all over social media.

Remember, in WWII Carrots were the secret weapon used to defeat the night fighters.

[Todo: Add link to Poe's Law]

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by delichon »

atoav wrote: post #31
ukd1 wrote: post #27

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This. See https://9mothers.com

Until drones deploy counter-blinkenlights. As someone who has built a realtime people tracker art installation in a disco: Stroboscopes are highly effective at confusing these models.

Disco or death? It's not an easy choice. Which Bee Gees song is optimal? Does it help if I wear a leisure suit? Is the coke optional?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yogthos »

le-mark wrote: post #60
MengerSponge wrote: post #30

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Doesn't a fiber tether give its drone desktop-class computing?

A starlink tethered drone can have a (orbital) datacenter guiding it.

until it gets jammed that is https://euromaidanpress.com/2026/07/08/russia-has-found-way-...

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by yogthos »

orthoxerox wrote: post #61
yogthos wrote: post #24

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The difference is that a neural network you can fit on a drone is going to be a lot less capable than an LLM you can run on a desktop.

You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Given that the drone is going on a one way trip, I imagine you'd want to use the cheapest hardware possible which would mean using the dumbest model you can get away with.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by esseph »

orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

A CIWS can only fire at one direction at a time, so 2+1 drones has an extremely high chance of taking it out for around $2500 or less. CIWS is multiple magnitudes more expensive.

Also can't use CIWS near troops and fpvs.

P1-SUN and equivalent are the answer there.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by esseph »

yogthos wrote: post #68
orthoxerox wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can fit a Jetson Orin Nano on a winged drone. It has plenty enough power to run a vision model.

Given that the drone is going on a one way trip, I imagine you'd want to use the cheapest hardware possible which would mean using the dumbest model you can get away with.

Your drone needs to be cheaper than what you're killing, so if your target profile is 50k+ USD and up, a $10000 even is fine (not that it would need to be even 10k).
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