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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

Microdrones [and butterfly nets] https://m.xkcd.com/1523/

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Until drones deploy counter-blinkenlights. As someone who has built a realtime people tracker art installation in a disco: Stroboscopes are highly effective at confusing these models.

Disco or death? It's not an easy choice. Which Bee Gees song is optimal? Does it help if I wear a leisure suit? Is the coke optional?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh1o_03ilQY

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Remember the "Black Mirror" episode "Metalhead"? (If not, check it out, no spoilers here.) I'm afraid we'll see something like this in the not-too-distant future. Now, a squad of soldiers, or even just one experienced rifleman, would prob. dispatch of such a threat quickly. But against (at most poorly armed) civilians it would be an all too effective terror/area denial weapon.

If it actually becomes a problem, I start carrying my shotgun everywhere, but... Even in the US, most Americans aren't particularly good with a shotgun. Enough of us that most places could have a number of people that they just call. Wake up right now and get out because you might need to shoot something, but it's a dangerous job and I really hope that it never comes down to that.

There's a video of a Finnish clay target champion taking on drones with a shotgun.

The first one gets him because he's unfamiliar with their flight paths.

After that he does better but it clearly shows that you'd have to be an expert to take down a drone with a shotgun.

Also there's a lot of air inside a shotgun spread, so even an on target shot may fail to disable a drone.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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If only it was simple rage bait. As a member of this thing we call "civilization" I can't help but wonder how the hell we got to this point. #rhetorical

Why do talented engineers keep going to work for these companies and building it?

In the example of Ukrainians, to protect their families and loved ones.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Yes but you're trying to identify people. A military system is being launched at an area to destroy a target that is presumed to be trying to hide (hence AI). Absolutely nothing stops a secondary, much simpler identifier system of "home on bright flickering lights". Any system where you try to confuse an image recognition model by loudly doing something unexpected suffers from the fact that regular tracking systems h…

There's a limit to the number of targeting systems you can afford to deploy on a weapon, and there's the problem of reconciling their signals if their views of where the target is start to diverge. "Counter-blinkenlights" are well-known as thermal flares, and more similar but as crude, [dazzlers] that blind the incoming rockets' sensors. [dazzlers]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_(weapon)

AFAIU, a dazzler is intended to blind the whole sensor, so home on dazzler would need specialized hardware, not only a software adjustment. (Replying to other messages in this thread)

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Because otherwise the opponent absolutist regime would be the only one to wield the tech.

It's absolutely ridiculous that this needs to be stated.

until you are on the wrong side of an absolutist regime I guess

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Oh, so dazzle camouflage is back. I wonder if the more sophisticated "classic" patterns would work better. They certainly do for human observers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

Automobile manufacturers still use it for some new models in development - occasionally see photos on social media from passersby https://gizmodo.com/how-automakers-use-a-wwi-era-camo-techni...

I have seen a few Erlkönigs (German term for camouflaged pre-production models) IRL. On the Autobahn, they are not that rare. You get to see one for every few thousand kilometers driven.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Well, not all killer drones run any kind of transformer model so...

Also "Civilian LLMs" use something on the order of 8 H200s, where a drone is effectively using a phone CPU from 2005.

Silence! Something something NPU at the edge hand-wave.

/s

Re: How to hide from killer drones

#170
On a related note, why isn't a shotgun now standard armament for infantrymen? Is there a better/cheaper anti-drone infantry weapon?

I saw this ridiculous Russian training video of some soldier doing a tuck and roll with an ak-47 against a drone.

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