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How to hide from killer drones

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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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I don’t think it’s a technical limitation that CIWS systems today only fire in one direction.

Wouldn't really improve things. CIWS is just best for a different threat model. We're moving into the "waves of drones with orchestration" phase and expensive directional systems won't survive that, and cost on the drone swarms is still drastically lower. Won't matter if you added ten ciws and ten fire-finding radars.

Bigger swarms have more counter battery risk

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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After WW II German u-boat captains said they were never particularly bothered by dazzle camouflage. Ten years from now I have a feeling we'll get the same information from drone operators.

Dazzle isn't meant to hide. Dazzle is meant to confuse a human trying to estimate course and speed in order to send an unguided torpedo at it. You need to look at hit rates to judge effectiveness.

We don't have that data. All we have is conversation from former captains saying it didn't work.

EDIT: Also, IIRC, the most successful captains in the field didn't actually use the AOB method of determining the target's course. They would instead cross in front of the ship at a distance. When the ship's masts lined up they knew the ship was pointed directly at their current position and could calculate from their current bearing and the bearing to the target exactly what the target's course was.

In hindsight what the Brits should have done instead of odd paint jobs is offset their masts by a few degrees.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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> https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2026/quadrf-can-spot-drone... You can't hide from drones. Attach quadrf to your drone and now you can see through walls.

I wonder if that works with drones not using Wifi frequencies, like 900MHz control link and 3.3GHz video?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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If only it was simple rage bait. As a member of this thing we call "civilization" I can't help but wonder how the hell we got to this point. #rhetorical

Why do talented engineers keep going to work for these companies and building it?

Why do talented engineers keep going to work for FAANG?

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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After WW II German u-boat captains said they were never particularly bothered by dazzle camouflage. Ten years from now I have a feeling we'll get the same information from drone operators.

The article says that its already known to not work against human drone pilots, its specifically targeting AI-piloted ones

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Oh, so dazzle camouflage is back. I wonder if the more sophisticated "classic" patterns would work better. They certainly do for human observers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage

Automobile manufacturers still use it for some new models in development - occasionally see photos on social media from passersby https://gizmodo.com/how-automakers-use-a-wwi-era-camo-techni...

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

https://youtube.com/shorts/9VSHhx0nJPI?si=rxibNMYv0jKnAIEl

They’re looking for camouflaged military trucks.

What they’re not looking for is a convoy of Zambonis painted in Toronto Maple Leafs white and blue.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Close-In Weapon System The Phalanx defense systems you see on naval vessels.

Which is total overkill for the job. It very well might cost more to fire a Phalanx at the drone than the value of the drone. And the Phalanx has IIRC 20 seconds of fire before it needs extensive downtime for reloading. They need something in the realm of a big automatic shotgun.

The way the US military works, throwing rolls of toilet paper at the drone from the deck of the shop is likely more expensive than the drone said toilet paper is hurling towards.
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