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Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by Bender »

antii wrote: post #102
Bender wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unmanned system forces Who is that? What is their official page under gov.ua?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_Systems_Forces_of_Ukr... Listed as official website. As a Ukrainian I can also confirm this is the website used on recruitment ads outside and it is legit. Why does it have to be under gov.ua?

Why does it have to be under gov.ua?

That is just a wikipedia page. Russia could have easily set that up. But now that we discussed it people can choose what to verify and what to believe. You know what they say, "Chem men'she znaesh,' tem loocheh"

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by ponector »

einpoklum wrote: post #86

> The probable result will be an arms race pitting increasingly sophisticated machine vision systems against cleverer and cleverer methods for fooling them. FPV drones are a thing. In, fact, I suspect most drones in the NATO-Russia war are FPV rather than fully autonomous.

How is it a NATO-russia war of NATO is not taking a participation?

You can call it NATO-Iran, or NATO-NKorea war as well.

Ukraine-Nkorea war? At least there were direct contacts between their forces.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by gattr »

Remember the "Black Mirror" episode "Metalhead"? (If not, check it out, no spoilers here.) I'm afraid we'll see something like this in the not-too-distant future.

Now, a squad of soldiers, or even just one experienced rifleman, would prob. dispatch of such a threat quickly. But against (at most poorly armed) civilians it would be an all too effective terror/area denial weapon.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by ponector »

barrenko wrote: post #75
sleepyguy wrote: post #10

If anyone here is into drones, manufactures, ideas, or wants to either use their drone piloting skills or learn how to pilot drones. Ukraine is recruiting for positions. https://usforces.army/en

This seems like it caters mostly to Ukrainians no?

No, you can join as well. Even russians can join, however there are strict background checks.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by bluGill »

gattr wrote: post #113

Remember the "Black Mirror" episode "Metalhead"? (If not, check it out, no spoilers here.) I'm afraid we'll see something like this in the not-too-distant future. Now, a squad of soldiers, or even just one experienced rifleman, would prob. dispatch of such a threat quickly. But against (at most poorly armed) civilians it would be an all too effective terror/area denial weapon.

If it actually becomes a problem, I start carrying my shotgun everywhere, but... Even in the US, most Americans aren't particularly good with a shotgun. Enough of us that most places could have a number of people that they just call. Wake up right now and get out because you might need to shoot something, but it's a dangerous job and I really hope that it never comes down to that.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by YurgenJurgensen »

dkresge wrote: post #90

If only it was simple rage bait. As a member of this thing we call "civilization" I can't help but wonder how the hell we got to this point. #rhetorical

“Attack drones” have been around for basically as long as civilisation itself. It’s just a recent development that they’ve been made out of metal and not meat. So we never got to this point, we’ve been at this point the entire time.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by ponector »

throwawaytea wrote: post #99
yakshaving_jgt wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only the russians are targeting civilians.

The Ukrainian executed 100k Polish civilians not too long ago, but I'm sure now they are angels.

Polish estimates are closer to 20k, btw. And Polish forces executed thousands of Ukrainians as well during the same events.

Also don't forget russians executed 22k Polish prisoners of war in 1940 and lied about it for decades.

Germans killed millions of Polish citizens - but they are good people now, not like Ukrainians who are holding back russians? Russians who are casually invade neighbors once in a while and committing atrocities

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by weard_beard »

bluGill wrote: post #115
gattr wrote: post #113

Remember the "Black Mirror" episode "Metalhead"? (If not, check it out, no spoilers here.) I'm afraid we'll see something like this in the not-too-distant future. Now, a squad of soldiers, or even just one experienced rifleman, would prob. dispatch of such a threat quickly. But against (at most poorly armed) civilians it would be an all too effective terror/area denial weapon.

If it actually becomes a problem, I start carrying my shotgun everywhere, but... Even in the US, most Americans aren't particularly good with a shotgun. Enough of us that most places could have a number of people that they just call. Wake up right now and get out because you might need to shoot something, but it's a dangerous job and I really hope that it never comes down to that.

There is video out of Ukraine of Russians with shotguns shooting at drones. It’s not very effective.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by zer00eyz »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #56
tcp_handshaker wrote: post #16

Slaughterbots: https://youtu.be/O-2tpwW0kmU

"stay inside" scare... from late 2019...

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2026/06/ukraines-one-time-test-us...

Except the Ukraine kind of went out and built it.

People in this thread keep talking about DJI, and off the shelf US drones.

Ukraine has move so far beyond commercial products (but still in use) that it's laughable.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ukraines-drones-can-n...

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/60152

A drone isnt terribly hard, or costly. It is a solved problem. The interesting bits are the software and even those are "easy" -- more so with "ai" in the aid of development. Ukraine isn't paying for "testing" either, they just send things to the front and try them against Russians.

Re: How to hide from killer drones

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Post by ezekiel68 »

orthoxerox wrote: post #22

Dazzle camouflage doesn't work on killer drones. Even civilian LLMs recognize that the object on the photograph is a military truck, except they can't explain why it's been painted to resemble a zebra. Most dedicated machine vision models easily lock in on a boxy shape moving along a road. If anything, the stripes make the trucks easier to see. The real answer to killer drones is a CIWS that can cover 2pi steradians…

Well, not all killer drones run any kind of transformer model so...
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