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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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> And Christian religion taken by the Romans It was not taken by the Romans. It was persecuted by the Romans for nearly 300 years.

In the beginning it prosecuted the Christians but later the Roman empire embraced Christianity and imposed all through the empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_as_the_Roman_stat...

i’m no apologist for christian history but you are both dancing around the nuances to make your own respective points. both things can be true but they require a lot of words: the roman republic, and subsequent empire were happy to allow conquered peoples to maintain their own ways of life as long as a few basic (in their estimation) requirements were met (taxes, fealty, etc). it was ripe for corruption to the conquered peoples tended to rebel and they got put down with severe violence

christianity offered a unifying thematic message and de facto polity under which constantine believed he could more effectively maintain power and peace. this system was ripe for corruption but now the people are generally kept in line by the conflation of church and state.

islam arises primarily as a repudiation of polytheism and what is perceived as loose monotheism and nonviolently sweeps through the area quickly.

regional leaders quickly learn the same lesson that constantine learned and use islam to prevent rebellion and exert control, with the added lesson learned that it’s best to just ensure everyone follows the same code from the start so that you don’t have to do a lot of political cleanup in the transition to a new belief system.

fractured “european” leaders realize how much power they’ve lost and decide that they should unify under the christian brand to go take back their power.

and the cycle goes on and on

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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It is somewhat different. Romans or Greeks didn’t really violently impose their culture, religion and language to a comparable degree. Without the Islamic invasions Egyptian would likely still be speaking Coptic these days.

Weren't all the conquered obliged to worship the emperor along with their own gods?

No. Jews didn’t, f.e.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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And they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs. They only stopped when they thought it would be good for their economic profits. Exactly the same when they stopped protecting slavery, when they thought it would be good as they would get a lot of new followers and all the money and influence that would come with them.And all the fights that gave birth to the other Christian chur…

> nd they burned quite people for defending the science that went against their beliefs much less than the alternatives. muslims killed anyone who did not convert in case you did not know

Oh playing the old game of "you more" , we're not debating which belief is more savage than the other, all of them are, we're pointing out that the followers of the supposedly all loving version of a god killed,should we say assassinated, lots of people just because their discoveries did not fit in their stories books.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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It doesn't absolve those who commit the atrocities, even if there are externalities involved. It's not always the White Man's fault - neither in Africa nor the Middle East. We can and should hold the societies in those places to a certain global standard of conduct.

Whose standard of conduct should the cultures you deem inferior be held to, exactly?

That's an easy one - to the same standard we hold Israel. No more, no less.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Allahu akbar = (Our) God is greater It's true that Islam is a Christian heresy but to be fair, Islam tries to be it's own State Religion only for the Arabs. So in that sense it's not the same God since they don't believe in the Trinity.

Incorrect translation, Allahu Akbar means “the god is the greatest” Allah is not a name that came with Islam but existed before, it just means deity. the Al prefix is the definite singular form. It just says one thing: god is a singleton and nothing is above it.

No, the correct translation is "God is greater". And it was used as a war chant against Christians.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKCx0JHzPs2/

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Islam has sure done a number on cultural diversity in the world. It's such a shame that the various cultural holdouts in the Middle East never get much attention when they're systematically wiped off the map. The Mandaeans in the marshes near Basra will probably be next to disappear into the sands of time. Not even a whisper in the media. Oil sure has a way of drowning out 'human rights' in conversation.

>Islam has sure done a number on cultural diversity in the world. So has Christianity and Capitalism.

Whataboutism

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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The older I get, the closer in time these ancient civilizations become. It's really not that many lifetimes away. It's stunning the progress humans have made since then.

What progress are you referring to? The shiny blinky things that scroll across our screens while the poor stay poor, war rages everywhere and the internet is overwhelmed with fake AI generated content. The more I look back into history, the more I realise that besides the sparkling blinky-blinky gadgets, we have made no progress at all - on a species level. We’re still living in caves, we’re still believe in God myth…

Can there be peace and progress.. where a hockeystick meets a horizontal line? Why demand the impossible?

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Whose standard of conduct should the cultures you deem inferior be held to, exactly?

That's an easy one - to the same standard we hold Israel. No more, no less.

Hell no, that's ridiculous. Israel is a wholesale violator of human rights at massive scale, along with its criminal 5-eyes cronies, and it is in the midst of an imperialist genocide, murdering children every single day. If a state cannot defend itself against children, it is failed and should be refactored by its citizens, immediately and with haste.

We also strike the USA off the list, which cannot even take care of its peoples' most basic needs.

Switzerland. The answer you're looking for, is Switzerland. /s

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