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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by wqaatwt »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #116
jsemrau wrote: post #99

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Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.

And without the Muslims maintaining the Greek and Roman texts, that would've taken far longer. Even algebra and algorithm come from Muslim names.

The Roman/Byzantine empire was pretty much destroyed by Muslims, though. Its a but like thanking the Franks/Goths/etc. for preserving Roman cultural identity in Western Europe by preserving some of their texts..

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by graemep »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #109
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

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Christianity is no different.

I didn't claim otherwise. Thankfully Enlightenment values cleaned things up a little. In the current day, I just find it very worrying when you line up a map of global conflicts and where Islam is thriving.

Which Enlightenment values? Racism? Sexism? Colonialism?

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by wqaatwt »

defrost wrote: post #113
jsemrau wrote: post #107

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Again, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.

To be fair in addition to the uncountable horrible things it did or took part in the Catholic church did build the foundations that allowed the concepts of modern scientific thought to develop. No other religion did that.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by Hikikomori »

wqaatwt wrote: post #120
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

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Christianity is no different.

To be fair for the most part Christianity didn’t spread top down through violent conquest (obviously with some huge exceptions) at least in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Also it’s historically better at integrating local cultural practices and languages. Unlike Islam which which usually wiped out local cultural and linguistic identities (during the periods of Arab conquests, that shifted quite a but later…

Well the crusades, northern crusades and most of imperialism.

For the most part it's enough to conquer a place. People below the timing elite would switch religions as it would be beneficial for them, and eventually trickle down to peasants and such.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by ghostDancer »

wqaatwt wrote: post #119
hechang1997 wrote: post #91

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> It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD. It’s easy to forget because it’s a fabricated perspective. Islamic/Arabian conquest of MENA isn’t really that different from what Romans or Persians did. That region is literally the source of human civilization (in the Old World at least) and had seen empires come and go ever since the Bronze Age, and along wi…

It is somewhat different. Romans or Greeks didn’t really violently impose their culture, religion and language to a comparable degree. Without the Islamic invasions Egyptian would likely still be speaking Coptic these days.

That's not exactly true. Spain, Portugal and France, at least, speak languages derived from Latin, while the original languages went extincted. And Christian religion taken by the Romans annihilated all the rest of religions in Europe.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by graemep »

defrost wrote: post #113
jsemrau wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Again, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.

Its been the most anti-slavery religion and was the main motivation for the abolition of slavery. There is no Christian objection to 'miscegenation' and its a weird concept only taken up in America and a few other places like South Africa during apartheid, and it owes more to race science than Christianity.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by madspindel »

soperj wrote: post #98
declan_roberts wrote: post #56

> During this period, from the late fourth to the mid-seventh century AD, Christianity became the dominant religion, towns expanded across the country and Egypt served as one of the empire's richest provinces. It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD.

You had one group of people who believed in God that were completely wiped out by another who also believed in the same God.

Allahu akbar = (Our) God is greater

It's true that Islam is a Christian heresy but to be fair, Islam tries to be it's own State Religion only for the Arabs. So in that sense it's not the same God since they don't believe in the Trinity.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by ghostDancer »

jsemrau wrote: post #108
defrost wrote: post #104

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The Vatican is a theocratic state, Catholic churches, schools, etc are effective theocracies. There's a long list of questionable behaviour, eg. enslavement for Jesus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Jesuit_slave_sale

There are more people enslaved now than at any point in time in history. Guess the countries.

Capitalist countries all of them.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by throwa356262 »

gaiagraphia wrote: post #109
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christianity is no different.

I didn't claim otherwise. Thankfully Enlightenment values cleaned things up a little. In the current day, I just find it very worrying when you line up a map of global conflicts and where Islam is thriving.

What about Ukraine, Venezuela, North Korea, Taiwan, Panama, Greenland, Congo, Mexico, El Salvador, ...

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by madspindel »

ghostDancer wrote: post #125
wqaatwt wrote: post #119

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It is somewhat different. Romans or Greeks didn’t really violently impose their culture, religion and language to a comparable degree. Without the Islamic invasions Egyptian would likely still be speaking Coptic these days.

That's not exactly true. Spain, Portugal and France, at least, speak languages derived from Latin, while the original languages went extincted. And Christian religion taken by the Romans annihilated all the rest of religions in Europe.

> And Christian religion taken by the Romans

It was not taken by the Romans. It was persecuted by the Romans for nearly 300 years.

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