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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by ghostDancer »

madspindel wrote: post #130
ghostDancer wrote: post #125

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That's not exactly true. Spain, Portugal and France, at least, speak languages derived from Latin, while the original languages went extincted. And Christian religion taken by the Romans annihilated all the rest of religions in Europe.

> And Christian religion taken by the Romans It was not taken by the Romans. It was persecuted by the Romans for nearly 300 years.

In the beginning it prosecuted the Christians but later the Roman empire embraced Christianity and imposed all through the empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_as_the_Roman_stat...

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by raffraffraff »

jsemrau wrote: post #99
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

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Christianity is no different.

Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.

I love hearing the guys from The Rest Of History discuss this from their different perspectives!

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by miroljub »

hechang1997 wrote: post #91
declan_roberts wrote: post #56

> During this period, from the late fourth to the mid-seventh century AD, Christianity became the dominant religion, towns expanded across the country and Egypt served as one of the empire's richest provinces. It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD.

> It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD. It’s easy to forget because it’s a fabricated perspective. Islamic/Arabian conquest of MENA isn’t really that different from what Romans or Persians did. That region is literally the source of human civilization (in the Old World at least) and had seen empires come and go ever since the Bronze Age, and along wi…

None of the previous empire changes led to the population replacement. Islamic expansion (colonisation, conquest) brought Arabs and their way of life everywhere.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by Hikikomori »

jsemrau wrote: post #103
defrost wrote: post #100

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The subject wasn't the creation of technology, it was the propensity of theocracies to beat the native out of natives. eg: https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/sep/06...

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Both are backward medieval deathcults to atheists.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by yowo »

soperj wrote: post #98
declan_roberts wrote: post #56

> During this period, from the late fourth to the mid-seventh century AD, Christianity became the dominant religion, towns expanded across the country and Egypt served as one of the empire's richest provinces. It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD.

You had one group of people who believed in God that were completely wiped out by another who also believed in the same God.

Completely wiped out? Christian copts were the majority for more than a century after Egypt became under Islamic rule, the shift took centuries of immigration and fertility rate changes. Many churches still stands in Egypt where they were before Islamic rule.

The copts themselves welcomed Islamic conquest as Muslims gave them more rights than previous rulers.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Egypt/From-the-Islamic-conq...

You are attempt to disguise your hate as history is a failure.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by Hikikomori »

graemep wrote: post #126
defrost wrote: post #113

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Again, Christians have been just as appalling as any other religion. They've killed, enslaved, done their best to eliminate cultures, railed against miscegenation, etc. Not sure why you're working so hard to pretend o/wise.

Its been the most anti-slavery religion and was the main motivation for the abolition of slavery. There is no Christian objection to 'miscegenation' and its a weird concept only taken up in America and a few other places like South Africa during apartheid, and it owes more to race science than Christianity.

Yet Christians had no problems taking, owning an selling slaves on an industrial scale for 100s of years. Their book even includes an ownership guide. And then you want a gold star for stopping what you created? The theocratic mind is laughable.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by sdsdssweew213 »

jsemrau wrote: post #99
openuntil3am wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Christianity is no different.

Please educate yourself more on this. Step out of your bubble. Christian nations have created the cultural and technical achievements over the last thousands of years. There is nothing even remotely comparable.

I wouldn't thank Christianity for the scientific advancements of the West, except maybe for protestant work ethic. Science only started to flourish when Catholic church started to lose power, and religion became a bit more separated from law and politics.

Best religion for progress of humanity is the one that embraces work, tells people to treat each other fairly, and otherwise keeps its hands off from irrelevant details of people's lives - things like what consenting adults do in bed, what they eat or drink, what they can or can't say.

Unfortunately Christians have been historically way too focused on the bad parts while ignoring the good parts, leading to madness like wars between Catholics and Protestants and discrimination of minorities. Think of the current conservative elite in America for example - it's hard to find people who are further away from teachings of Jesus Christ than those greedy, hateful idiots.

Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by cineticdaffodil »

hechang1997 wrote: post #91
declan_roberts wrote: post #56

> During this period, from the late fourth to the mid-seventh century AD, Christianity became the dominant religion, towns expanded across the country and Egypt served as one of the empire's richest provinces. It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD.

> It's easy to forget how different the Middle East looked before the conquest of Islam starting in 600 AD. It’s easy to forget because it’s a fabricated perspective. Islamic/Arabian conquest of MENA isn’t really that different from what Romans or Persians did. That region is literally the source of human civilization (in the Old World at least) and had seen empires come and go ever since the Bronze Age, and along wi…

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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by sieabahlpark »

ghostDancer wrote: post #131
madspindel wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And Christian religion taken by the Romans It was not taken by the Romans. It was persecuted by the Romans for nearly 300 years.

In the beginning it prosecuted the Christians but later the Roman empire embraced Christianity and imposed all through the empire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_as_the_Roman_stat...

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Re: Lost city discovered beneath Egypt's desert with ancient church

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Post by wqaatwt »

Hikikomori wrote: post #124
wqaatwt wrote: post #120

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To be fair for the most part Christianity didn’t spread top down through violent conquest (obviously with some huge exceptions) at least in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Also it’s historically better at integrating local cultural practices and languages. Unlike Islam which which usually wiped out local cultural and linguistic identities (during the periods of Arab conquests, that shifted quite a but later…

Well the crusades, northern crusades and most of imperialism. For the most part it's enough to conquer a place. People below the timing elite would switch religions as it would be beneficial for them, and eventually trickle down to peasants and such.

> Crusades

Many of the regions they invaded were still (or until quite recently) majority Christian. After all initially it was a defensive relief expedition organized by the pope and the Byzantine emperor to free the territories the empire lost in Anatolia very recently. Of course it was massively more successful than anyone anticipated and they just kept on going and then the whole thing got “slightly” out of hand..

But yes, as I said there were some huge exceptions. However early on the way Christianity spread was fundamentally different to Islam. It was usually not through violent conquest but bottom up.

European imperialism was quite mixed as well. Christianity played a huge part in the Spanish conquests of the Americas. Much less so in British India and other similar places.

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