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Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Macha »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #112
asdff wrote: post #97

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From the headline: >the problem is getting it where it's needed. Same issue with EV rollout. EVs are great if you have a single family home and a few grand to spend on outfitting a fast charger. Most apartment renters however are shit out of luck. I mean it has been how many years now of EV cars on the road and virtually no sweeping buildout of EV chargers in apartment complexes that I can see at least. There was a p…

Why are people so convinced that we need an EV charger per car at every home? We need enough high speed chargers in the right places. The average American drives 37 miles per day. That pencils out to less than 30 minutes of charging per week using current high speed standards (which will continue to drop). Your friend could take their car at 20% if they knew that they could charge quickly at their destination. We don…

I don’t have a garage, as is common in my country. Charging my car off a regular socket would thus require leaving a ground floor window open all night (undesirable from both a security and wildlife intrusion perspective) or installing a socket outdoors (at which point why not just get a charger?)

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by lumost »

lostlogin wrote: post #107
Terr_ wrote: post #103

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There's definitely a gulf between living-situations, and people assuming their local experience is nationally representative. I had a car-purchase decision a few years ago, and ultimately I had to choose based on the housing I had, not the housing I wish I had. It was frustrating to hear a lot of "you can just X" from folks who couldn't seem to imagine an apartment or chaotic street-parking.

There is another sibling comment saying that it works just fine with charging at fast chargers. I would find that irritating as it’s still time consuming - slow charging at home suits me, but as you say, requires a suitable home.

if super chargers were always within 5 minutes, located around desirable locations to spend an hour, did not charge idle fees, and everyone had 30 minutes of free stuff to do at these locations... then it might just work!

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Micrococonut »

fragmede wrote: post #45
walrus01 wrote: post #33

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> The worst thing an evildoer can do is blow up your own house and the few around it. No, they can take the isotopes out and dump it into your local water supply. Or if they're suicidal and the isotopes have been encapsulated in some sort of tamperproof system, grid the whole thing down to granulated powder using less than $20,000 of power tools (disregarding their own health and the entire nearby area, of course) an…

If someone evil has access to the water supply, is radioactive material the worst they could do? that'll, what, give some people cancer which is really bad but it'll take a while to get them. If people wanted to be shitheads, they could already dump arsenic or LSD into the water supply, or any number of others things. that are already available to them right now! Have you personally tested your taps chlorine or flour…

Except most people don’t have industrial levels of arsenic, LSD, or other highly toxic substances stockpiled in their homes. Nor do they have a way to obtain it without triggering a visit from a swat team. Which is exactly what this comment chain is discussing. The potential for harm when you don’t have to go anywhere but your own basement/a few neighbors to obtain enough enriched uranium to create a superfund site.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by surgical_fire »

anthonypasq wrote: post #134
surgical_fire wrote: post #51

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> We do not know whether subscription plans are unprofitable at all. That's pretty much certain. It's sort of cute when people like to pretend otherwise. > Many seem to confuse API prices with the actual cost to serve the models, and thus reach the conclusion that subscriptions must be deeply unprofitable. I don't make that mistake. I actually suspect that the actual costs may be higher than the API prices. I think t…

> I don't make that mistake. I actually suspect that the actual costs may be higher than the API prices. I think those may still be subsidized. how are you still under this delusion? so you think that all the hosting companies on openrouter are just burning money selling GLM 5.2 tokens at 1/6th the cost of opus 4.8 api pricing? Mark Zuckerberg literally tweeted today that they are pricing Muse Spark 1.1 much lower be…

> delusion

It's not me the one that believes whatever comes out of the mouth of Zuckerberg.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Micrococonut »

walrus01 wrote: post #43
fragmede wrote: post #40

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We already let people have cars and those things are crazy dangerous! No one should be allowed anything, ever, until we bubble wrap everything in the world to be perfectly safe!

Well, we already have strict background checks, licensing and regulations for a scenario such as if a person wants start a home based business manufacturing and storing C4, Semtex or similar at their rural property. If the idea is to start handing out nuclear reactors for peoples' houses, the possible damage that could be done is far greater. No matter how well packaged it is or designed to be consumer friendly.

I feel like the level of discourse on HN has fallen to that of reddit recently. I used to expect more of people on this website. When the rebuttal to home nuclear energy generation being an obviously horribly bad idea is “oh well we have cars too and those are dangerous. Guess we just live in baby world. Little baby world where little baby’s aren’t allowed to own their own nuclear reactors”, it’s just like man. What are you even doing here haha.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Schiendelman »

yunwal wrote: post #150
Schiendelman wrote: post #146

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You've replied to me before - I really wish you would engage positively.

I don’t think there was anything negative about their comment

See their reply that came two minutes before yours. ;)

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by linkregister »

leonidasrup wrote: post #52
vasco wrote: post #39

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Solar and wind take up a bunch of space and generate a bunch of waste after the panels are decommissioned, plus the wind generators are ruining every single landscape we have. With 5 nuclear stations per country you could cleanup so much of Europe.

The environmental damage caused by "clean" power sources is done mostly in countries which are far from Europe, so it's not much discussed in Europe. Like: Copper. "As the world shifts to wind energy and electric cars, demand for the conductive metal has increased. But mining copper brings its own environmental hazards" https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/09/copper-minin... Impacts of lithium mining on water…

Distracts from the much larger environmental impacts of coal, oil, and nat gas production, which is much higher on a per-capita basis.

Comparisons should be made for replacements.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Shitty-kitty »

ecshafer wrote: post #95

The politicization of AI has been a huge damper. NYS put a 1 year moratorium on datacenters with some municipalities doing so as well. My town did a 1 year ban, despite us being a retarded location for a data center (more expensive land than surrounding areas, less water access, far from power). US has also been lagging in power capacity, because of the anti-growth segment of politics. More nukes.

Even rural localities in blood-red states are opposing datacenters. Noise, water electricity usage coupled with few permanent jobs and little tax-income due to subsidies have made them unpalatable to many.

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Post by rconti »

alsetmusic wrote: post #140
asdff wrote: post #97

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From the headline: >the problem is getting it where it's needed. Same issue with EV rollout. EVs are great if you have a single family home and a few grand to spend on outfitting a fast charger. Most apartment renters however are shit out of luck. I mean it has been how many years now of EV cars on the road and virtually no sweeping buildout of EV chargers in apartment complexes that I can see at least. There was a p…

Ew apartment buildings have them where I live, though a limited number so I can imagine that their use fluctuates. Someone who can’t reserve an open charger can’t move in. Someone who can’t get the floor plan they want is less likely to sign a lease even if a charger is available. This is in the Bay Area, fwiw.

I think this is usually done with idle fees and the like. I was recently apartment hunting and we tested out the EV chargers -- in this case it was a Tesla destination charger, but I didn't realize those now had smarts built into them to provide for billing and idle fees just like superchargers have.

We ended up in an apartment without any way to charge, so for now we're dealing with supercharging -- and just recently found a nearby condo complex (1/3mi walk) with 19 completely free chargepoints. But yeah, this is Menlo Park, so we have 5 superchargers within a few miles.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Post by Shitty-kitty »

leonidasrup wrote: post #61
dawnerd wrote: post #60

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Solar doesn’t produce that much waste either and that was the point. Just because you don’t see the nuclear waste doesn’t mean it isn’t sitting there somewhere. The person was acting as if clean energy is dirty via its waste. For the record I’m all for nuclear - it’s insane we’ve regressed so much and not invested into more. But it’s also insane we’re not taking more advantage of green energy where we can.

Most of the solar panels are pretty non-dangerous waste (cadmium telluride (CdTe) solar panels are dangerous waste, but are currently only small part of installed solar panels). Silicon tetrachloride used for silicon production is toxic and has to handled carefully. The main point is that, if Europe wants to invest more in solar power, it should also do the manufacturing in Europe and waste disposal in Europe.

Of course, that's money that is not going to go to slowing global warming.
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