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What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Remember when we didn't have enough electricity for electric cars?

Have you seen the price of electricity? That's with only about 5% of cars being electric. We've consumed nearly all of the slack in transmission capacity. I'm expecting transmission costs to balloon.

Is capacity a static quantity?

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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‘the abundance of [AI] will be limited by the abundance of energy’. And the reason current US policy opposes clean, renewable energy is --- purely political.

That's true, but it's bipartisan policy. The Trump admin obviously is fighting wind, though solar is just too useful to be able to be stopped even by them. But it's also popular among environmentalists to fight solar projects https://v2.courthousenews.com/greens-fight-mojave-desert-sol...

And Indian Point in NY is the classic example of how nuclear was supposed to be replaced by renewables but was replaced by gas (and many solar installations in NY were blocked so we're not coincidentally here): https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/mar/20/nuclear-...

So, it's political in that our policy is in line with what most people want: fewer renewable generation stations. But there's no outside enemy to conquer here. We've just collectively decided on this equilibrium.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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It falls into the bin of "tragedies of the commons we could fix with current technology but fail to sufficiently fund and support in earnest" Really, when is the last time we overhauled our built environment and actually followed through with a comprehensive plan in the west? We couldn't even finish the interstate highway system in a time when we had seemingly great alignment towards it along with far cheaper costs.…

Public housing failed not because of insufficient funding or support but because a small fraction of residents were sociopaths and criminals. The authorities refused to take decisive action to quickly evict the troublemakers and so they wrecked the projects for everyone. Section 8 vouchers have been far more effective by enabling low-income people to rent housing from private landlords at market rates. There are some…

> overall it's a better model than public housing.

I don't know about better, but it's what we've got. The problem is a shortage of housing, and the government building housing solves for that because the public market has been shown to be incompetent at that.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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We still don't. Until free/at cost car charging is provided at work when the sun shines you're just moving the place where combustion happens. This may be a worth while trade in downtowns where the main form of car pollution is engine exhaust at an average of 20mph.

All three employers I've had over the last ten years now offer free charging at work. New houses everywhere have been putting in extra circuits for charging for years. Apartment buildings are commonly built with chargers now, and older ones are starting to see retrofits. Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs be…

And in Singapore I can get 10Gbps home internet.

The future is not evenly distributed and the outliers matter little.

>Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs became available.

Depends entirely on your assumptions about where you draw the line for emissions from second and third order effects.

Saudi oil is so easy to get out of the ground that compared to coal it's practically green.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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The ocean tidal power data center idea was a neat one.

Neat how? Tidal power never made economic sense. There are only a limited number of places with enough tidal flow to even potentially make it viable. Any moving parts in the marine environment require frequent expensive maintenance due to growths and corrosion. Environmentalists will file lawsuits against anything that causes any damage anywhere, even if it would be a net environmental benefit compared to alternative…

Ocean waves aren't going to stop at night or on a cloudy day, and don't care if the wind is blowing. Yes, tidal power has its own set of problems, but it doesn't have those ones. The more amazing power source I heard about though is the enhanced geothermal power that Fervo is doing.

https://youtube.com/shorts/9ltVH8RQYFk

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All three employers I've had over the last ten years now offer free charging at work. New houses everywhere have been putting in extra circuits for charging for years. Apartment buildings are commonly built with chargers now, and older ones are starting to see retrofits. Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs be…

And in Singapore I can get 10Gbps home internet. The future is not evenly distributed and the outliers matter little. >Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs became available. Depends entirely on your assumptions about where you draw the line for emissions from second and third order effects. Saudi oil is so eas…

You've replied to me before - I really wish you would engage positively.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It falls into the bin of "tragedies of the commons we could fix with current technology but fail to sufficiently fund and support in earnest" Really, when is the last time we overhauled our built environment and actually followed through with a comprehensive plan in the west? We couldn't even finish the interstate highway system in a time when we had seemingly great alignment towards it along with far cheaper costs.…

Public housing failed not because of insufficient funding or support but because a small fraction of residents were sociopaths and criminals. The authorities refused to take decisive action to quickly evict the troublemakers and so they wrecked the projects for everyone. Section 8 vouchers have been far more effective by enabling low-income people to rent housing from private landlords at market rates. There are some…

That is probably an issue with low income housing overall. I don't think slumlord landlords are somehow immune to renting to gang members.

When I talk about spotty coverage I mean, verizon says I have an LTE connection, and yet I get served with dialup tier experience. Not always, but often. This has been the case for the probably 15 years I've had a mobile data plan. I experience this nowhere near anywhere remote, in the heart of large cities even.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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post #68

Remember when we didn't have enough electricity for electric cars?

Have you seen the price of electricity? That's with only about 5% of cars being electric. We've consumed nearly all of the slack in transmission capacity. I'm expecting transmission costs to balloon.

The article discusses how the biggest problem is peak demand, but that midday electric prices have fallen as solar has grown. EVs are perfect for charging during solar peak and making use of energy that would have had to be curtailed, they can even feed back into the grid helping during peak demand.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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And in Singapore I can get 10Gbps home internet. The future is not evenly distributed and the outliers matter little. >Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs became available. Depends entirely on your assumptions about where you draw the line for emissions from second and third order effects. Saudi oil is so eas…

You've replied to me before - I really wish you would engage positively.

Mindless cheerleading is what got us in the state we're in. More of it will not fix anything.

Re: What's slowing down the AI buildout

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And in Singapore I can get 10Gbps home internet. The future is not evenly distributed and the outliers matter little. >Electricity generation is almost always much, much cleaner than burning fuel in an internal combustion engine, and has been since long before EVs became available. Depends entirely on your assumptions about where you draw the line for emissions from second and third order effects. Saudi oil is so eas…

You've replied to me before - I really wish you would engage positively.

I don’t think there was anything negative about their comment
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