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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by kbelder »

alkonaut wrote: post #925
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Oh ffs. Just like I would much rather drive a Chinese car than a Tesla I’d much rather use a Chinese model than an X one. That’s just where we are now. Whether it’s good at anything at all doesn’t interest me. It could match Fable at 1/10th the cost and I wouldn’t send a cent their way. I’m a hardcore nerd. But I won’t let a discussion about X, Grok et.al ever focus on anything technical.

>But I won’t let a discussion about X, Grok et.al ever focus on anything technical.

Highlighting this sentence, because it exemplifies so much of the contemptable behavior in this thread.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by SirHackalot »

peder wrote: post #862
SirHackalot wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quitting my job if I have to use any Musk product… I know Anthropic’s lease of xAI data centers pumped SpaceX stock, so they’re kinda in-bed with each other, but directly using Musk products is pure immorality IMO. Using a Nazi’s products is not an acceptable outcome to me, and I’m fully prepared to change my job/entire career over it. I’m still young, and have time to pivot.

Um, ok, I was just saying what their product strategy might be , nobody asked you whether you'd use it

Then don’t read my response and don’t reply to it, simple. This is a public thread on a social media platform. I don’t need to be asked to speak. I certainly don’t need your approval to say anything I wish to say. Who do you think you are? Lmao… Check your ego.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by breezybottom »

johnwheeler wrote: post #321

I think that Elon Musk went from being recognized as a genius to being recognized as a genius but someone who's harder to take seriously, because of all the ketamine he was doing for a little while there. I think that really damaged his reputation. You just can't help but look at him and think, he's a little bit of a jackass. It really shows how drugs can really mess up your reputation.

Only dumb people ever considered him a genius.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by breezybottom »

simianwords wrote: post #636
observationist wrote: post #341

The anti-Musk stuff would qualify as brigading in nearly any other community. It shocks me that people have such a visceral, irrational engagement with anything in Musk's orbit. I probably shouldn't have, but I expected better from the HN crowd for some reason. It's an excellent model. GPT 5.4/5.5 level, some things better, others not, but extremely fast. A wonderful technical improvement. If a Chinese company or ran…

50 years ago we had religion for people to have something common to believe in. Now we have this. I think most people want a common enemy/scapegoat and an in-group presence. I doubt its about morals but more about self identity. A poster who reactively posts "but Elon is a Nazi!!1!" does it not do out of care for Jews but more for establishing their own self identity. Within the mini-group, the poster aims to get the…

Do you actually think Nazis were only a threat to Jews?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

mparis wrote: post #846
Lomlioto wrote: post #713

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

> I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes. I mean this question fairly as I am curious how you think about the trade-offs on the way to your moral choice. Not trying to manufacture a “gotcha” or anything. Based on your response, I am inferring and assuming that you think electric vehicles are a net positive for society when compared t…

Tesla could have found a path forward without Musk. It might've been painful or even dangerous financially, but they could've come up with something. Same with the other companies Musk "runs".

So long Musk remains at the head of any public company, despite everything that has happened - despite Musk being literally personally responsible for large scale atrocity and mass-death - not to mention all white supremacist stuff he's doing daily it seems, there's no real trade-offs for us plebs to fuss over.

Those companies should pay a price. Musk has turned himself into a real force for real evil in the world, yet they choose to be a party to it, because it's financially convenient.

So... any company that chooses to still keep him at the helm should be facing down total ruination, until and unless they decide to remedy the situation. If never do, well they've made their choice.

I mean, Musk should probably be in jail for a very long time, but at the very least, he should be blacklisted in the business and financial (and political) world, for good.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by keeda »

Otterly99 wrote: post #673
keeda wrote: post #515

> Training included trillions of tokens of Cursor data which capture a wide-range of user interactions with codebases and software tools. This -- training on work done on hard, real-world tasks -- seems to be how most frontier models are making capability gains these days. In fact people make decent money doing that for data companies like Mercor. However it's also striking that Cursor managed to gather so much of su…

Unless you're working on private data, is it such a problem to let Cursor train on your data? I personally work mostly on small, unoriginal projects. I don't really mind letting Cursor keep the data for training if it leads to a better product for me.

If I'm working on something open source I actually would not mind as much. (I can understand why many folks don't like the models being trained with impunity on ALL the open-source code out there, but personally I think it's fine for my open-source code.)

However, I am working on some projects where I think I've stumbled on genuinely interesting and valuable technical approaches, and I'm still figuring out how to capitalize on them. As such I am a bit paranoid about my ideas leaking via some training dataset.

Heck, it could end up as nothing more than a blog post that nobody reads, but at least I get to publish it.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by SirHackalot »

peder wrote: post #862
SirHackalot wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quitting my job if I have to use any Musk product… I know Anthropic’s lease of xAI data centers pumped SpaceX stock, so they’re kinda in-bed with each other, but directly using Musk products is pure immorality IMO. Using a Nazi’s products is not an acceptable outcome to me, and I’m fully prepared to change my job/entire career over it. I’m still young, and have time to pivot.

Um, ok, I was just saying what their product strategy might be , nobody asked you whether you'd use it

My comment was directly relevant to yours. So I’ll say what I want, without needing your permission, thank you. Kudos to the mods for not flagging my original comment. They do that sometimes if you say the thing ;)

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dimgl »

dimgl wrote: post #912
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Refreshing to see this be the top comment, thank you. I agree. To answer your question, Grok 4.5 seems to be pretty good at simple tasks and gets even some of the trickier ones correct but it tends to struggle with bigger codebases that aren't very uniform. I've noticed that it uses a fraction of the tokens to get to solutions which is really impressive compared to GLM 5.2 which tends to be an overthinker. I'm not su…

Want to add that I started using Grok 4.5 on Grok Build and the big codebase problem seemingly vanished. The issue was only happening on OpenCode.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by nsonha »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #918
nsonha wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> okay with CSAM based on what? I tried and it could not even generate adult nudity. Earlier Grok Image was poorly censored but now they have their filters in place.

You tried = anecdotal, it's still happening, their response was slow, and it shouldn't have been possible to begin with. https://www.wired.com/story/grok-is-still-hosting-sexualized... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok_sexual_deepfake_scandal

this was a year ago (which is a long time in llm timeline), when they've just launched Grok, which I acknowledge in my comment. There is any evidence or investigation of it happening today?
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