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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by alkonaut »

kilroy123 wrote: post #726
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

My only complaint is that people have been tricked into thinking complaining online is taking action . The complaints are the equivalent to shouting at the TV.

Someone might at least read this discussion and come away with a feeling that there is something controversial about using a product or service, and read up on it before buying. If that happens to even one prospective customer then the energy we spend complaining was worth it.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bibimsz »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

bunch of libtards

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by root_axis »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here.

This is entirely Elon's fault. If he just focused on the tech instead of being an extremely inflammatory political activist in his speech and his role in government, nobody would be talking about this.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by overgard »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Well, until these things are self hosted (and even then); running these things involves a massive amount of trust with the providers. Like, to make it even useful you more or less have to turn over all your data (IP, slack/teams conversations, internal documentation, etc.). So you kind of want to know that whoever you're giving that to isn't going to stab you in the back. (Um, also see Anthropic going after Figma's business; or Microsoft's entire history of embrace/extend/extinguish.) It's really naive to trust these companies, and it's VERY naive to trust Elon Musk.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by overgard »

inkysigma wrote: post #719
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

I think the biggest distinction with the chinese models is that you can run them locally. I definitely wouldn't trust GLM hosted on chinese servers though. (China is not exactly known for their respect for IP rights)

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by port11 »

root_axis wrote: post #933
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. This is entirely Elon's fault. If he just focused on the tech instead of being an extremely inflammatory political activist in his speech and his role in government, nobody would be talking about this.

I assume he knew exactly what he was doing, given that his political allegiance spared him for some ongoing investigations, forced his stock into pension saving funds, pushes his failing car onto the foreground, etc. Well played Elon, selling out to cash it in.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by cootsnuck »

zulban wrote: post #871
tene80i wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

> Telling people not to be political is a political act No. If there's a group to discuss ice cream, but they keep talking about Trump, it's not a "political act" to say "hey guys, aren't we here for ice cream?" Otherwise every forum devolves into the loudest, most vocal slurry and loses its personality. I'm Canadian. Let's talk about the tech, not your failing country, please. Or I'll go somewhere else for ice cream…

But this isn't a thread about ice cream...? It's about SoTA emerging technologies that pretty much everyone agrees is going to have consequential effects on society.

When people say "don't talk about politics" that gets twisted up with partisan squabbles (like your example of bringing up the president during ice cream).

But talking about the quality of your streets, your local schools, your annoyance at the trash pickup service, or the data center in town that is using illegal gas generators and actively spewing methane around poor communities with little recourse...

All of that is "political".

Political means who gets to make decisions about how resources are allocated, at varying levels and scales of society. All the way down to the community level and all the way up. Who gets affected by the allocation of those resources. Where power is concentrated or distributed to or from.

Every thread on HN about open source, big tech, startups, etc. are invariably going to be political.

People caring about a trillionaire's outsized power in the tech industry and society at large is inextricably linked to the technology his companies create.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by alkonaut »

marqueewinq wrote: post #805
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

My thoughts on this: 1. This is a world we live in now. I personally was not interested in the politics in the slightest, but since 2022-ish it wasn't in the cards to not pay attention to what happens around. For some groups of people this forced political awareness started even earlier. 2. The output of the models is very aligned with the owner's political views. You can verify this by comparing the answers to a sim…

”Not being interested in politics” doesn’t mean you aren’t interested, it just means politics happens to work for you. Its a strongly political take on the world too.

Politics isn’t a subject like sports or tech. It’s something that permeates them all, including the discussion itself.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by epolanski »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #576
epolanski wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You use the previous gen model to prepare datasets for the next model iteration I've read multiple times that this approach is harmful in training. You're essentially describing what many call distillation, but it's only useful in post training to guide behavior, it teaches how to behave, not how to think. I might be wrong though and would be glad if someone more knowledgeable provided more insights.

> I've read multiple times that this approach is harmful in training. There's a lot of nuance here. Note that I said "prepare" datasets and not just "generate" datasets. First, the "model collapse" paper(s) were highly misunderstood and the "media" / content creators ran with it because negativity sells. In that initial paper the authors took things to the extreme, and presented as a given what happens in the literal…

Very insightful, thanks.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by anthonypasq »

JeremyNT wrote: post #923
inkysigma wrote: post #719

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

"I'm not political" or "don't make it political" type posts on Musk-related topics are often signs that somebody agrees with the worldview that Musk espouses. I used to think the HN policy of "do not discuss politics unless it intersects with tech or is novel" was useful, but lately I feel this perspective is part of how we got here, with a white supremacist controlling more wealth than any other human and exerting p…

I'm sorry but this mindset is just exhausting. Everything doesn't need to be apocalyptic all the time.

Its so unbearable that people arent able to talk about anything anymore without some bozo chiming in with their political crusade.

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