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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

codemog wrote: post #107

Can someone breakdown to me how this makes any sort of economical sense? Spending billions and billions to have the 3rd best model while even the number 1 and 2 players already seem to struggle making a profit. What am I missing here? Not trying to go full Ed Zitron but this doesn’t make sense to me.

Stock market / investor driven products do not make economical sense, yet here we are; just because they (may) not make a profit, doesn't mean they don't generate value. My house doesn't make a profit, but it does appreciate in value over time. AMD famously didn't make a profit for years.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dimgl »

zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

> They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it)

Wait, what? In the X and Grok terms of service it's pretty clear this is prohibited. Where are you getting this?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by JeremyNT »

inkysigma wrote: post #719
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

"I'm not political" or "don't make it political" type posts on Musk-related topics are often signs that somebody agrees with the worldview that Musk espouses.

I used to think the HN policy of "do not discuss politics unless it intersects with tech or is novel" was useful, but lately I feel this perspective is part of how we got here, with a white supremacist controlling more wealth than any other human and exerting political influence in heretofore unseen ways. We've decided it's OK to simply look the other way if there's some shiny bauble, and we've missed the forest through the trees.

Musk doesn't do anything that is not politics. This must be called out more, not less, and we need to bring shame back for supporting such an agenda.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by transdev12 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I’ve been coming to hacker news for years (10+) and there has always been political commentary.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by alkonaut »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Oh ffs. Just like I would much rather drive a Chinese car than a Tesla I’d much rather use a Chinese model than an X one. That’s just where we are now.

Whether it’s good at anything at all doesn’t interest me. It could match Fable at 1/10th the cost and I wouldn’t send a cent their way.

I’m a hardcore nerd. But I won’t let a discussion about X, Grok et.al ever focus on anything technical.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by diabllicseagull »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

politics being the inflammatory topic for you or not, you seem to seek a particular type of comment section that only includes the information you are personally interested in and nothing else (garbage as you put it). imho, it's an unrealistic expectation on your part.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by chairmansteve »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

He spends most of his time trolling us. What do you expect?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by alkonaut »

throw10920 wrote: post #894
tene80i wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

> Telling people not to be political is a political act There's a place for politics - which is not here , if you read the guidelines. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Only an extremely socially maladjusted individual tries to insert politics (or, any particular topic) into every forum/discussion that they're in.

There is no separation of politics from anything. You can’t discuss sports in a sports forum and pretend it’s possible to keep politics out of it. Likewise with tech. If HN’s guidelines pretend that’s possible, they’re mistaken.

You could moderate it, such as deleting comments, but it would be about as helpful and arbitrary as deleting every odd numbered comment.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by daveguy »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Can we turn off the whining bitchy little comments like yours along with the political commentary? That would be great.

Did you honestly think the mechanazi / porn generator AI wouldn't receive negative comments? Even "hardcore nerds" recognize garbage. Sorry 'bout your luck.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by cameronh90 »

epsylon wrote: post #880
cameronh90 wrote: post #506

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I concur. Generally I find Gemini answers to be the least biased and most factually accurate, without too many of the annoying AI writing quirks. However, I find the Gemini web app to be by far the worst, and Gemini itself second only to Claude in terms of refusing legitimate requests. It used to be the worst for that, but Claude has really put up the guardrails since their run in with the US president. Grok has no c…

What sort of legitimate requests do you get refused?

Lots of stuff involving cybersecurity or reverse engineering for one. At one point Gemini wouldn’t tell me the command line to disable approval on codex because YOLO mode is apparently a hacking technique. I’ve been using Grok as a backend for some experimental AI game storytelling, and obviously fiction isn’t all rainbows and unicorns, so often ChatGPT/Gemini bail out when the going gets rough.

Other things… well people are going to disagree on what’s “legitimate”, but perfectly legal queries about morally questionable topics are commonly refused. ChatGPT refuses to translate or OCR texts containing racial slurs, won’t help with information about building firearms, won’t give you information about how to stage a bank robbery, won’t talk about anything involving suicide, refuses questions around sex work and kink activities.

I can go to the library and rent a book on gunsmithing, sex work is legal, heist fiction is popular, racial slurs are unpleasant but common in certain texts. I totally understand why they want to block that stuff off, but I also don’t really like my computer telling me what is acceptable for me to think about based on someone else’s moral code. Also a world where games don’t include anything immoral or “unsafe” is probably quite bland.

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