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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Lomlioto »

mparis wrote: post #846
Lomlioto wrote: post #713

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Its more depressing to see that we have such a low morality, that it apperenly doesn't matter what you do as long as you make great tech? My philosophy is, that the better i have it, the more responsibliltiy I can/have to carry. People in tech are above avg successful and we have a thinking job. I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes…

> I would imagine that our world would be better if more people would care if they see a Tesla and feel a little bit bad. Yes. I mean this question fairly as I am curious how you think about the trade-offs on the way to your moral choice. Not trying to manufacture a “gotcha” or anything. Based on your response, I am inferring and assuming that you think electric vehicles are a net positive for society when compared t…

I think Tesla got its fair share of success and and its now time to dismantel it because of Elon Musk.

There are enough alternatives here.

I'm highly disappointed that it has to be like this/should be like this, but it gives Elon Musk too much power which he uses to destroy even more.

Also his missing character gives me worries for the future: Not only did he try to manipulate directly the demogracy in germany with going live with AfD, he now also ignorantly burns satelites in our atmosphere and no one is saying no or slow down.

I find the level of Elon Musk followers nearly cult like and find it irritating that so many say "Elon Musk is not Tesla" despite the fact that he is the CEO and owns quite a lot of Tesla shares.

All of this pressure should force Elon Musk to appologize and put him back in his place as a form of social opposition, but this clearly doesn't work

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by cdelsolar »

thrance wrote: post #788
solarhoma wrote: post #317

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My immediate thought as well. Every other AI platform has very left leaning guardrails installed. Grok is the only AI platform that has been shown to be center leaning.

What's the centrist position on climate change? The 2020 election? Vaccines? The right is objectively wrong on this subjects, while the left is objectively right. Any LLM worth their salt would not bothside these topics and just give the left's position, as that is the only one agreeing with material reality. In that, being a centrist just makes you less trustworthy.

fwiw i just asked grok about the 2020 election and it asserted with citations that there is no evidence that it was stolen.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by belowavgiq »

inkysigma wrote: post #719
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

preface: I use chinese models daily. I'm not american, I don't care if it's china or the US spying me.

true, they were not obvious at all about what they did to the Uyghurs. Thanks for helping turn HN into lightweight Reddit.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by belowavgiq »

9NRtKyP4 wrote: post #707
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

You don’t exist in a vacuum. Pretending the politics doesn’t exist is itself a political position. Excluding it is how we’ve ended up with technically impressive but socially awful systems.

there is reddit for that, go there.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

w4yai wrote: post #787
emil-lp wrote: post #669

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

> The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. Wrong. This is the way you want it to be. Your own opinion being introduced as a universal rule. Wrong.

Everyone is "political" in one way or another, I'm not sure where the denial is coming from.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

farfatched wrote: post #835
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

+1. I come to HN for technical content. I also seek political commentary, but not here. That isn't HNs strength. > Where have the hardcore nerds gone? I'd guess they avoid posts they predict to be overwhelmingly political. Why do the political posters post? They want to influence, of course! And HN is open. So posts that can be made political, will be.

Everything is political though, even the denial that things are political is.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by belowavgiq »

neya wrote: post #860
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

I've been on HN since 2012-ish, but a reader since way before. In the last 5 years alone, HN has unfortunately become extremely political, steering most conversations in the direction of political correctness rather than technical objectivity. I don't think it's a problem of moderation, because, that is still quite good. I think it's just the evolution of forums in general. Invariably, someone will start with FUD or…

the evolution of english speaking forums*. Which is rather unfortunate as a tech entusiast, as Russian forums are dying down and the only alternative are the walled Chinese forums.

we could create a new HN in 10 minutes, one that expressely prohibits politics AND posts about how many eggs chickens lay in a week (where half the comments would probably end up discussing the decision in 2020 of the american gov to cull infected chickens), but it would have approxitely 0 users.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by __alexs »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

Is it somehow LESS nerdy to understand the geopolitics behind the tech we use? I guess we have different definitions of nerd.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by EgregiousCube »

nick486 wrote: post #829
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> Where have the hardcore nerds gone? Chased away by activists. I know of a couple guys who used to be active and eventually just gave up. There's only so much passive aggressive insinuations along the lines of "you're an evil person if you don't care about $issue" one can take, before feeling unwelcome, and just leaving. And that's especially true for often shy hardcore nerds.

+1.

And regardless of how thick skinned a nerd is, all the brigading makes threads majority-offtopic and now the neighborhood just sucks. In this case here, the new Grok release genuinely has some interesting characteristics in its quality/speed/cost tradeoffs - but this thread just isn't a good place to discuss them, because it's been swarmed.

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