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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by epsylon »

enraged_camel wrote: post #98
nijave wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut feel is Anthropic is very technical and pedantic which makes their models really technical and pedantic. They're top at code and technical benchmarks but anecdotally I've found OpenAI to be significantly farther ahead for general usage. Opus 4.8 will burn 10k tokens trying to answer something 100% whereas GPT-5.5 will burn 2k getting it 90% which is good enough for many things. Some personal testing on a "help…

The problem is that the remaining 10% can bite you in bad ways. I was in Cotswolds, UK a couple of months ago. For those of you who don't know, it's a rural region known for its "chocolate-box" villages and honey-colored limestone architecture. Basically, you go from village to village, most commonly via bus, taking in the sights and doing touristy stuff. When planning the trip, my sister used ChatGPT, which helpfull…

> Midway through the day, though, we ran into a huge problem: it turns out bus schedules are different on Sundays, and more limited. Which meant we couldn't actually go to our primary destination (the Model Village), and had to cut the trip short.

Why trust an LLM with information like bus schedules? They fuck up things like this routinely.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by tnel77 »

highmastdon wrote: post #832
zactato wrote: post #325

I am amazed at people's willingness to use Grok. The company is so transparently morally bankrupt. They're the only AI company that seems okay with CSAM (or at least don't do as much to stop it) Why give them money? It would be one thing if they were the only game in town but thats definitely not the case.

1. intelligence to token-use ratio is much better than the frontier models 2. hallucination rate is MUCH lower than OpenAI, Google and Deepseek models 3. the cost for output tokens is much lower than Anthropic models while near same intelligence and task completion 4. task completion time and success is on par with Opus 4.8 Max, but 3.5x less time used Especially 2. you're probably more willing to allow OpenAI to ban…

“Political influence is good as long as it’s my side :)”

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by throw10920 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here.

Moderation can be improved by the community. Downvote political comments to show that they're not welcome. Flag them if they break the guidelines (which is almost always, because the purpose of HN is almost exactly anti-political). If there's a particularly egregious comment, or a user who's on a jihad, then contact hn@ycombinator.com.

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept."

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by froggertoaster »

I echo the top comment - the politics here have gotten out of control.

Like it or not, Elon and his companies have changed the world for the better.

You are allowed to separate the human from the human's impact sometimes.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by bonoboTP »

Gareth321 wrote: post #678
emil-lp wrote: post #669

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

"Everything is political" is what people say when they want everything to be political. We don't have to make LLM models political. You do it because you enjoy soapboxing. It's perfectly reasonable for people who enjoy this technology to ask you to keep it in spaces which are dedicated to soapboxing, like Reddit. Not HackerNews.

It's pointless to try to separate things as political or non-political. You always have politics when you have deep disagreement, especially on values, among people who interact.

Keeping things non-political at least implicitly means you're fine with the status quo, and sometimes a community is in agreement about the status quo being fine enough to work inside it.

There is no shortcut by simply discouraging or removing "politics". If the community is divided, there is no way around the friction. You can either fork off separate communities, or work on smoothing out the differences.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by froggertoaster »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

All model providers do this lmao

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by jnbrother »

Benchmarks make it look better than Opus 4.8, but has anyone actually used it? I don't really trust benchmarks. Cost aside, purely on performance — is there any real reason to jump from GPT or Claude to Grok?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dsubburam »

maxdo wrote: post #847
inkysigma wrote: post #719

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I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

They are not vocal because any political activism is not encouraged in China . Check jack ma story . But the message is extremely obvious. They already offer the technical capabilities for digital dictatorship. They offer to counties like Russia tools for big firewall , surveillance with llm. So yes , if you pay money to China you directly sponsor putting people in jail for online activities in China , Russia , North…

> They are not vocal because any political activism is not encouraged in China . Check jack ma story .

This is an under-rated comment. "Nice" seeming places in Asia might be so because the governments tightly control the narrative and brook no dissent. Citizens end up minding their own business and become apolitical. Society looks neat and organized; but if you don't conform, you get hammered down.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by blablabla123 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

> So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here.

Grok is specifically trained on political input/output. Therefore I have trouble parsing your comment.

> Where have the hardcore nerds gone? How is the model, is it good at coding? What does this mean for competition and pricing?

When was the last time you've seen tank database systems discussed here? Probably never because there seems to be some sort of unwritten moral boundary of what fits in here and what not. I hope it finds its natural alignment back.

Personally I think it's fine to point out the peculiarities of certain tech ecosystem. But at some point I rather don't read more details and move on to other aggregators.

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