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Re: Grok 4.5

#801

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I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

> I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics Try asking Chinese models about Taiwan independence or Falun Gong or the Dalai Lama or Tiananmen or the Hong Kong national security law or ASIO’s investigations into Chinese interference in Australian politics

You need to be totally evil in your soul trying to downplay such non-western-centric voices.

I asked ChatGPT whether Anglo Saxon Australians have the legal and moral obligation to fully compensate for Australian Aboriginals for the genocide carried out against those aboriginals some 200 years ago. ChatGPT said NO with tons of excuses, it even tried to justify the genocide by saying lots of aboriginals died of natural causes.

DeepSeek, GLM and Minimax all said YES unwaveringly.

Re: Grok 4.5

#802

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Somehow you have it 100% backwards. Grok is the only one that's not trained to be extremely biased. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2026/0...

The AI labs claim they couldn't replicate those results and neither can I. I don't get the biased responses using the same prompts in an incognito window. The Washington Post is about as trustworthy as Fox News.

reality is known to have a liberal bias

/s

Re: Grok 4.5

#803

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics. I don't see how political commentary about Musk's is somehow forbidden when the man constantly reminds everyone about his political position and is simultaneously the face of his companies and obvious beneficiary. Furthermore, he's also very obviously inte…

> I think the distinction with the Chinese models (or with any of the other models) is that they aren't particularly vocal and obviously active about their politics Try asking Chinese models about Taiwan independence or Falun Gong or the Dalai Lama or Tiananmen or the Hong Kong national security law or ASIO’s investigations into Chinese interference in Australian politics

Well, looking at the answers - you sort of did that just now.

Re: Grok 4.5

#804

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

Wake up, the people in power are corrupt regardless of their political orientation. There are no saints in politics. This has been true since times immemorial with few exceptions.

  People have a series of rationalizations. People say for example that science 
  and technology have their own logic, that they are in fact autonomous. This 
  particular rationalization is profoundly false. It is not true that science 
  marches on in defiance of human will, independent of human will, that just is 
  not the case. But it is comfortable, as I said: it leads to the position that 
  "if I don't do it, someone else will." 
  
  Of course if one takes that as an ethical principle then obviously it can serve 
  as a license to do anything at all. "People will be murdered; if I don't do it, 
  someone else will." "Women will be raped; if I don't do it, someone else will." 
  That is just a license for violence. 
  
  Other people say, and I think this is a widely used rationalization, that 
  fundamentally the tools we work on are "mere" tools; This means that whether 
  they get use for good or evil depends on the person who ultimately buys them 
  and so on. 
  
  There's nothing bad about working in computer vision, for example. Computer 
  vision may very well some day be used to heal people who would otherwise die. 
  Of course, it could also be used to guide missiles, cruise missiles for 
  example, to their destination, and all that. You see, the technology itself is 
  neutral and value-free and it just depends how one uses it. And besides -- 
  consistent with that -- we can't know, we scientists cannot know how it is 
  going to be used. So therefore we have no responsibility. 
  
  Well, that is false. It is true that a computer, for example, can be used for 
  good or evil. It is true that a helicopter can be used as a gunship and it can 
  also be used to rescue people from a mountain pass. And if the question arises 
  of how a specific device is going to be used, in what I call an abstract ideal 
  society, then one might very well say one cannot know. 
  
  But we live in a concrete society, [and] with concrete social and historical 
  circumstances and political realities in this society, it is perfectly obvious 
  that when something like a computer is invented, then it is going to be adopted 
  will be for military purposes. It follows from the concrete realities in which 
  we live, it does not follow from pure logic. But we're not living in an 
  abstract society, we're living in the society in which we in fact live. 
  
  If you look at the enormous fruits of human genius that mankind has developed 
  in the last 50 years, atomic energy and rocketry and flying to the moon and 
  coherent light, and it goes on and on and on -- and then it turns out that 
  every one of these triumphs is used primarily in military terms. So it is not 
  reasonable for a scientist or technologist to insist that he or she does not 
  know -- or cannot know -- how it is going to be used.
-- Joseph Weizenbaum

Re: Grok 4.5

#805

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

My thoughts on this:

1. This is a world we live in now. I personally was not interested in the politics in the slightest, but since 2022-ish it wasn't in the cards to not pay attention to what happens around. For some groups of people this forced political awareness started even earlier.

2. The output of the models is very aligned with the owner's political views. You can verify this by comparing the answers to a simple philosophical questions, like the railcart dilemma, nature of power etc.

3. I don't (again, personally) think that being a hardcore nerd should implicitly mean i'm apolitical. Moreover, i think it's unavoidable for a nerds (as in, above average IQ, degree, medium to high income) to be aghast at any notion of the government being a police state, fascist or a communist.

Sorry to bring even more politics here, but, again, it's unavoidable in the current situation, i think.

Re: Grok 4.5

#806

The anti-Musk stuff would qualify as brigading in nearly any other community. It shocks me that people have such a visceral, irrational engagement with anything in Musk's orbit. I probably shouldn't have, but I expected better from the HN crowd for some reason. It's an excellent model. GPT 5.4/5.5 level, some things better, others not, but extremely fast. A wonderful technical improvement. If a Chinese company or ran…

The praise for the Chinese labs is generally around how they deliver fantastic results with less resources. xAI is the opposite, they're struggling to keep up with frontier - massive churn, selling off compute because of lack of adoption, acquihiring to fix their deficits, whilst having the most resources of any AI Lab. It makes it difficult to evaluate things like "Is the API price competitive because they have an efficient model, or because they don't need to make money".

Re: Grok 4.5

#807

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The $2/6 pricing seems to only apply for context under 200K. Above that (max context is 500K) pricing doubles to $4/12. https://docs.x.ai/developers/models/grok-4.5

Womp. Didn't see this anywhere else. No longer feels as inexpensive. Will likely just include this in the rolodex of <200k context tasks, like being one of my review agents.

Yeah but depends how you use it - with superpowers and it’s prevalence of splitting things into smaller focused subagents - this could seriously reduce costs …

I wish my company gave me more options than just using Claude to test these things out

Re: Grok 4.5

#808
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I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

There was a study done a week or 2 ago. Grok was surprisingly THE most neutral. Like close to 50/50 neutral.

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Re: Grok 4.5

#809

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Telling people not to be political is a political act – specifically, one that accepts whatever comes, doesn't care about power, is happy with whoever rules whom and how justly. Those are your politics, or at least sufficiently so that you're happy to park those issues while discussing tech. They aren't everyone's. You can turn off the non-technical comments by ignoring them.

Yes yes and when an atheist tells you he doesn’t believe in a god you tell him that’s ok because Jesus believes in him

No, the parallel would be an atheist saying "I don't want anyone in this room to mention God".

Re: Grok 4.5

#810

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

lol, the sheer hypocrisy of your message
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