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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by inigyou »

numpad0 wrote: post #260
inigyou wrote: post #139

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Grok is the #1 uncensored easily-available model, and it's also tightly integrated with Twitter.

I don't remember online discourses on filter avoidance for Grok to be any different from typical ones, except that it allegedly have tendency to take porn-biased interpretations of prompts, I think the "uncensored" pitch they had for a while was pure marketing in the end.

A few months ago it was the only model that would make children in pictures naked. I think that's been patched since Elon got sued over it.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by blargey »

blcknight wrote: post #449
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

Elon's rhetoric doesn't really match the model's behavior. It is willing to criticize Elon and argues against many of the insane right way points he tries to make.

...which is why we got comically disastrous system-prompt-level attempts to "correct" this once a quarter last year (I haven't kept tabs this year, and most submissions referencing grok "incidents" get flagged off HN quickly, for better or for worse)

I wouldn't trust XAI to refrain from attempting such "alignment" with proper training techniques, in ways that won't result in obvious gaffes.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by hcurtiss »

rayiner wrote: post #150

Tried this for a legal use case and it was excellent, comparable to Opus in quality but much faster. AI is miles behind in law compared to coding: the output was similar to a law student intern. But coherent and directionally correct and beats starting from a blank sheet of paper. Impressed.

I'd like to use it for legal work too. Microsoft makes great hay about its ability to sandbox CoPilot's work and not train on or share company resources ("Look for the green checkmark."). It's largely for that reason that we've rolled out Copilot to most of the white collar positions in the company. Do you happen to know whether xAI has similar functionality?

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by froggy »

If you want to do some non-eugenics, fascist-free AI coding, try Zed with GitHub Copilot. I’ve been using it this week with better results than I ever had with Cursor. There’s even a low token “MAI-Code-1-Flash” model which has been giving me better results than any Composer model I used to use and the tokens used seem to be way less.

I asked it today to fix a non-simple bug and MAI fixed it in one shot with less than 70k tokens (Cursor would have used probably half a million tokens based on my previous usage). Orgs need to start getting more visibility into why Cursor burns so many tokens.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by agustechbro »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

I feel sad for you my friend to see that you are asking for political topics to a LLM. I hope one they you will realize you can actually do productive things with this technology.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by dools »

michaelmrose wrote: post #361
FunHearing3443 wrote: post #316

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Studies on political bias in models consistently show that LLMs lean politically left. The only outlier is grok which leans right but by a smaller factor, according to this study for instance: https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.23841 Edit: adding some other studies that are easily retrievable with a quick search for those unsatisfied with the first one - https://arxiv.org/abs/2606.12922 https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.16746 Claim…

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by wyrdcurt »

I've never used a Grok model before because I have my OpenRouter settings on ZDR-only. I just checked, and apparently there are ZDR xAI endpoints now [1], so I might actually try this. Out of curiosity, does anyone here happen to know when those were added?

[1]: However it does say "Requires user IDs" under anonymity, which is unusual on OpenRouter and not something I particularly like to see. Generally, OpenRouter is a proxy that anonymizes requests to providers, and I can't find an account-wide setting to enforce that like ZDR-only.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

adamtaylor_13 wrote: post #407
davmar wrote: post #360

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A very quick search showed that USAID had extensive ethical compromise throughout the organization. Were we supposed to just subsidize that forever? It did some good, yes, but from what I can tell, it was better to shut it down. That's just one example, but frankly I get the feeling that if I dug into more examples they'd end up the same: easily explained and not entirely shocking.

> It did some good, yes, but from what I can tell, it was better to shut it down.

Whatever you are reading is badly misinforming you.

I'm sure there was some reform and cleanup to do in certain USAID programs, but the programs Musk killed or interrupted were literally the best lives-saved-per-dollar programs on the planet. PEPFAR, for example, is credited with saving 25+ million lives since it was created during GWB's term.

There's also the rather important point that what Musk did was totally illegal. These are programs created by congress and their funding is mandated by law.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by jug »

scarab92 wrote: post #410
NelsonMinar wrote: post #399

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People give them money because of the moral stance. They are either actively fine with the CSAM or just don't care.

Give me an alternative that isn’t trying to shove left wing ideology down my throat and I’ll use that. So far, only xAI makes any attempt to be neutral in its answers.

You probably have it backwards. It's Grok that is shoving right wing ideology down your throat. Research has shown that without specific guidance to otherwise, LLM's tend to be slightly left leaning by default. There are some theories as for why this is so.
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