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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by ivell »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

This is why I don't trust self driving cars. It is hard to say when it will make a wrong decision and we are too slow to react as we are not actively engaged in driving.

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Post by DaSHacka »

mint5 wrote: post #880
hparadiz wrote: post #541

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People that have a perfect driving record.

Everyone starts with a perfect driving record until one day it’s not perfect.

And annoying beeps and chimes that distract you from the road get you closer to that

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by pornel »

flyingshelf wrote: post #846

New cars are painful to drive. So many alerts it's distracting. bing bing bing NOW what?

Now you have to take your eyes off the road and look through three screens to find a new icon that showed up somewhere. Then keep not looking at the road and tap though multiple layers of settings screens to dismiss the false positive.

Car makers are chronically awful at making software, and regulations that force them to write more such software are doomed to suck.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by DoesntMatter22 »

mrtksn wrote: post #181
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #140

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I don't think it's misleading at all. Is it a camera that's aimed at your face? It seems like it.

Nope, the laws require Advanced Driver Distraction Warning System and does not require cameras aimed at your face. Also, cameras are receivers. Nothing happens when cameras are aimed at your face, it is only significant when you are interested with the received image and it actually nothing happens, it is processed on device to see if you are tired/distracted/asleep. Here is the actual text: https://eur-lex.europa.eu…

Yes, so it’s a camera aimed at your face. Of course it’s a receiver, I’m not sure how that is relevant

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by DaSHacka »

rsanek wrote: post #341
Gander5739 wrote: post #321

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If locks are to keep honest men honest, then driving monitoring cameras are to keep attentive drivers attentive.

Interesting perspective. In my experience the risk is actually that it results in alert fatigue, which means that drivers that would otherwise pay attention to such an alert no longer do.

Yeah Subaru HQ clearly never heard of the term. On my recent vehicle it beeps for every damn thing. "Car has been driving for X hours" notification on the dot each hour. "WARNING: Washer Fluid Low" every 15 minutes or so while the washer fluid is low (that was a fun drive to autozone, getting nagged the whole way).

It also beeps indefinitely if you first open the driver's side door before turning off the engine. You have to close and re-open the door to get it to stop.

Also has 6 chimes on startup as punishment for daring to start the car without already having your seatbelt buckled.

Not to mention the annoying chimes for actually having any seatbelt unbuckled in the vehicle. It fluctuates them, so you can't even tune it out, and has a tendency to go off if you're hauling heavy cargo. (Though granted, 3 quick prints on a 3D printer later and you'll never have to worry about it again.

Next mod I'm doing to this car is ripping out the chime speaker. I'm just done. I learned to drive on a car that didn't have these chimes, and honestly it made for an easier driving experience.

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Post by pontussw »

4k93n2 wrote: post #702
pontussw wrote: post #677

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A camera pointed at people’s face is going to have some insanely positive effects targeting one of the absolute biggest problems on the road though. On my daily commute about 50% of drivers are on their phones at 90 km/h, would be great if their cars were beeping at them since no one else is going to do anything about it. I find this especially great since one of them rear ended me earlier this year and practically a…

if all that happens is the car beeping at them then i would imagine that number will stay at 50%

I might be naive but I believe that >0 tiktok addicts who can’t put their phone down even while driving, might be persuaded to quit when even their car beeps condescendingly at them

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by sculper »

silexia wrote: post #632

Orwellian. What an absolute nightmare of government control. Advancing technology is giving too much power to the government, do not let them have it or you will never get your rights back.

Weird, because I remember you claiming that it was a moral imperative to lick the government's boot a few months ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46747587

Has anything changed your mind since then?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by pontussw »

lazide wrote: post #888
pontussw wrote: post #692

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There we maybe need some regulation that the system should be working, and the manufacturers of the cars should be forced to recall and fix the system if it doesn’t work! The solution to bad implementation can’t be to just throw our hands in the air and say that Kia produces bad cars so therefore we cannot introduce safety regulation

Or, hear me out, just have a person drive and not try to micromanage them constantly with a shitty AI system?

You mean the status quo?

> Each year road crashes generate about 120,000 fatalities and 2.4 million injuries in the European region of the World Health Organization. Road traffic injuries are the leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults.

Whatever it is we are doing today, it is not working.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by port11 »

laughing_man wrote: post #913
randerson wrote: post #893

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My car (from VW Group) came with Active Lane Keep. It detects when you're drifting out of your lane and steers you back into it. Sounds great in theory. Except that in the US, if you're cruising in the right lane then every time there's an exit it will actively steer you towards the concrete median between the lane and the exit. I don't understand how this feature was signed off on. The risks outweigh the benefits, i…

I will never buy a car with that feature unless I can turn it off. I don't need the be fighting my car if I need to swerve in an emergency situation.

If you swerve hard enough, the car lets you. I agree the system can be infuriating, but in a long highway ride I found it useful. In the city it’s usually off, I think there’s a speed factor to it.

(I disagree with many modern car systems and think they make for worse drivers, but keeping you on-lane at high speeds is not a bad thing.)

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