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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by lemontheme »

According to my Volvo EX30 I’m always tired. It feels like they’ve dialed down the sensitivity in recent updates, but for the first year it was beeping at me five minutes into every drive. Really easy to trigger the alert by fake yawning. I turned it into a little game. Oh, and I can’t look over my shoulder to check my blindspot. Nope: driver distracted.

My steering wheel has one macro button, which I can bind to EITHER disabling speed alerts or driver monitoring alerts but, very unfortunately, not both. So guess who’s sometimes poking at their touchscreen while they should be focusing on the road?

Not against alerts in principle but it should be a less is more kind of thing

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by osmukka »

msm_ wrote: post #423

>Regulators are responding to a real problem: EU-funded research estimates driver distraction plays a role in 5% to 25% of car crashes >Article 6(3) of the GSR states that the system should be designed in such a way that it does not continuously record or retain data other than what is necessary for its purpose I get that there are problems, but it doesn't sound that bad to me? Car drivers kill tens of thousands of p…

All these new rules are just lowering the skill floor for driving while also lowering the skill ceiling. If you're a capable driver you are literally punished for it by useless beeps, distracting steering wheel nudges (sometimes even yanks) and lights coming up on your sideview mirror that look like the car behind you has put on their turn signal (it is the blindspot sensor light). Nobody seems to be asking whether you should even be behind the wheel if you can't properly drive without all these assist-features. Driving a car is after all a privilege and not a right. Car manufacturers of course want to make it the former because it means more customers and more money.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by throwworhtthrow »

stubish wrote: post #594
xienze wrote: post #485

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There's theory and there's practice. In theory you're supposed to maintain 10 and 2 at all times. In practice, that gets fatiguing over long trips.

Hello from the 80s! It is now 9 and 3. This changed due to airbags and too many people learning what 'degloving' means.

NHTSA now recommends "8 and 4" hand position. Did see the memo about this?

I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo: https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/steeringtechniqu...

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by beej71 »

kybernetyk wrote: post #660
phoronixrly wrote: post #502

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…

It won't work for everyone, but I have a bicycle trailer for food shopping. 20 minutes ride each way. I go about once a week.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dzhiurgis »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

> 2008

I was looking for a car recently for a 3 month visit in Europe. 2008 is the bottom of the barrel at this point. Basically deciding between scraping and trying to make few more years out of it.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dzhiurgis »

nehal3m wrote: post #665
petre wrote: post #624

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Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

I think it’s a legal requirement, because it’s the same for Tesla.

At least with Tesla you have massive ecosystem of third party add-ons, including defeat devices.

I do wish it was even quieter tho. It's kinda of a shame you got a quiet EV but then add annoying bingbongs.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by pontussw »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

A camera pointed at people’s face is going to have some insanely positive effects targeting one of the absolute biggest problems on the road though.

On my daily commute about 50% of drivers are on their phones at 90 km/h, would be great if their cars were beeping at them since no one else is going to do anything about it.

I find this especially great since one of them rear ended me earlier this year and practically admitted he was fiddling with his phone at the time

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by dzhiurgis »

thebruce87m wrote: post #360
deejaaymac wrote: post #286

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I would argue that if someone can't safely operate a vehicle without this then maybe they shouldn't have a license

What exactly are you arguing for? Changes to the driving test to detect how someone reacts to distractions?

In NZ we have to identify hazards. Distractions would be interesting. "Send a text to someone and include that obscure emoji". Or perhaps more vogue - go thru EV charging app registration including verifying your email address and entering credit card details, while driving.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by petre »

nehal3m wrote: post #665
petre wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

I think it’s a legal requirement, because it’s the same for Tesla.

One can still make a good design within the legal requirement. It doesn't say how many dB the beeper has to have or adjust the level of assistance. Maybe pressure from Chinese manufacturers will force them to get their stuff together, cut back on the user hostile design.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by vvoyer »

Cars are becoming shittier in Europe, dumb regulations and people building cars are clearly NOT driving them.

My wife got a new Volvo recently:

1. You can only open it with your phone (find it in purse, unlock it, find the app, wait, click) or a card that can only open on the driver side (can’t open the trunk). What was fucking wrong with keys?

2. No behind the steering wheel screen, only a large tablet center of the car. No way to know your speed without looking to the side.

3. No physical buttons aside from the ones on the steering wheel.

4. And the infamous speed limit beep sound. You can turn it off with a shortcut button on the steering wheel. Which is so dumb if you think Europeans spent millions creating and implementing this rule. A friend of mine has no shortcut (kia) so he just starts driving then look away from the road to the screen to tap a few times. I’ve seen this many times now.

Overall cars are more dangerous to drive because of all this shit. Europe is spending millions creating laws to protect us on the road and making driving shitty. While Youtube, social networks and movies keep promoting cigarettes and alcohol.

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