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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by rurp »

awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

I don't doubt your experience but I've had the exact opposite experience with a Subaru where there were so many false positives it was worse than useless and was instead an active distraction.

Given the general state of auto manufacturer software I would fully expect something like this to be janky and unreliable. It might work in some conditions on some faces but also perform abysmally in many other scenarios.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

slopinthebag wrote: post #256
stackghost wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is "they"? What is their motive for wanting to "force people out of cars"?

The “green movement” and “the environment” but mostly a desire for control. Why should people be able to own private property like cars, we should all be using government owned means of transportation in our new socialist utopia.

Who desires the control? Can you name a member of this nebulous conspiracy? Nobody I've spoken to about this topic has been able to.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by c2h5oh »

Spooky23 wrote: post #129
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

I bought a fancy Toyota SUV after my trusty 2008 Honda was damaged in an accident. The nagging is ridiculous. I’m actually not quite sure what lane assist does, but if I look at my side mirror it chastises me for not being attentive. It also has locked up the brakes and made me think I hit somebody when backing into my driveway. I wish I had fixed the Honda!

I've got a fairly new Toyota and I when I found myself needing a 2nd car for my family I ended up buying a 20 year old Honda and I have to say I enjoy driving it much more.

I might also be safer in it - oversensitive security systems nagging me with false positives almost constantly don't pair well with my ADD

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by hylaride »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

> Then there's the incessant beeping at you

As a Canadian that did a road trip through the balkans over the winter, the rental car was constantly beeping at me for something. It was misreading signs and due to the bad weather (it was during a huge snowstorm in January) the roads weren't very clear and it was constantly confused. I also had some very unhappy drivers (especially in Albania) furiously trying to get around me, causing the car to further slow down to "avoid collisions". I was already stressed enough driving through countries with mixed driving records, but any actual defensive driving caused the car to nag me.

Sorry in advance to any Bulgarians, of which the car had plates from, for probably tarnishing your reputation.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

hnav wrote: post #137
Dries007 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The emissions tests only test to the level that the car was first registered (or produced) doesn't it?

Yup, a bigger issue for old cars trying to pass emissions is that with prices of precious metals, a worn out catalytic converter (diagnostic code P0420 ) means that most of them are mechanically totaled in California, New York, Colorado since they require either OEM or CARB approved replacements.

That’s a good thing, yes?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by deejaaymac »

awakeasleep wrote: post #9

Ford has had that since Blue Cruise 2.0, or thereabouts. It really shocked me how often it catches my attention being diverted. Things like talking to my passengers, adjusting the climate controls, or eating- I'm not even talking about 'advanced distractions' like my phone. It also seemed really accurate. I never remember it beeping at me when I was actually paying attention. It's totally plausible to me that this ki…

I would argue that if someone can't safely operate a vehicle without this then maybe they shouldn't have a license

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by moffkalast »

peterlk wrote: post #59
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

Driving4answers had a similar rant recently about the 2024 Prius, where there's an always-on warning beep every time you enter an intersection, which intrusively pulls away your attention in the exact moment when you need to be focusing on the road the most. I'll be surprised if it doesn't cause someone to die in the coming years. Laws for drivers written by people with chauffeurs.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by LtWorf »

peterlk wrote: post #59
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #6

All new cars. At this point I don't know if I'd buy anything made after 2008. Whenever I rent a new car around here (in the EU) I find them very annoying. The worst is the cruise control that tries to stick to the speed limit -- but its sensors don't always read the signs very well, so you'll often slow to 50 km/h (about 30 mph) for no reason. Then there's the incessant beeping at you, "lane assist" that you can't tu…

Over Christmas, I spent several minutes trying to debug my beeping dashboard - it only seemed to happen sometimes while driving, so stopping didn’t let me figure it out. Eventually I discovered that it was beeping at me because my eyes weren’t on the road enough. Of course, figuring that out required me to take my eyes off the road to figure out which blinking signal was associated with this particular alarm. Also, b…

I gave up and just ignore all the blips. It also sometimes invents speed limit signs.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by comradesmith »

BeetleB wrote: post #258

I love the warning about not having hands on the steering wheel. It goes off all the time. And each time, my hands are on the steering wheel. It doesn't actually detect contact - it checks to see if you're actively adjusting the steering wheel. Except I don't need to! The lane keep assist is so good that it's rare I have to give it additional help. So - I kid you not - I've gotten used to giving a nudge to the steeri…

You should buy a dumber car
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