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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by silon42 »

mschild wrote: post #689
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #555

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> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car. Where do you live? In slovenia for example, we have "default speed limits", where there are zero traffic signs unless the speed limit deviates from the default for that type of road (50 within settlements, 90 outside, 110 on mo…

In Germany, we love our signs (not really). We have so many of them though and specific rules and lots of exceptions on where to put them. For example, typical city road speed is 50kmh, but residential side streets are 30kmh. If you cross an intersection there usually should be a sign telling you the speed limit because people turning onto other roads need to know how fast they're going. Except there sometimes isn't.…

Here (Slovenia), there is an intersection rule, speed limit is cancelled at next intersection (unless in a "30" zone, or a "town wide speed limit").

Good look recognizing this situation without GPS maps.

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Post by Otterly99 »

aenis wrote: post #608
teravor wrote: post #524

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forcing citizens to buy goods which are adversarial to them with their own money is rarely a good idea. paradoxically, citizens expect the government to be adversarial towards them in big things (see America) but it's the 'little' things which breed true contempt. sooner or later something will happen which will test the revealed preference of the population and everyone will suddenly discover that contempt is all th…

Yes. Absolutely yes. And I think this is why people vote for things like brexit, or really-obviously-bad-politicians. This is the only way in which they can pay back the many things the reasonable, progressive governments "gave" them. Stupid beeps included. I swear to god, I hate right wing populists, but I'd at least be inclined to vote for a party that promised to fight back those stupid systems.

Why should right wing populism be the alternative thought? Couldn't we have a decent alternative?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by anentropic »

donalhunt wrote: post #270
dlcarrier wrote: post #197

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You mean the bZ4X. It wasn't enough that the name is incomprehensible, they also capitalized it incomprehensibly. I think the primary goal of that car was to see how few they could sell, so they could go back to hybrid and hydrogen.

The VW eUp! has a similar naming consistency issue. Is it an electric VW Up? VW eUP!? VW e•Up!? VW e-Up!? Who knows...

best pronounced with a Yorkshire accent I believe

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by watwut »

kybernetyk wrote: post #660
phoronixrly wrote: post #502

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…

I have car and rarely use it for grocerries. I walk to shop and buy stuff. I take car only rarely, when I need to go far.

The condescending assumptions people make when they dont have arguments are getting absurd.

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Post by aag »

twobitshifter wrote: post #537
WalterBright wrote: post #376

Boeing found out the problem with "beeping" alarms. The first time they installed a warning horn, I think it was the stall warning, it was a big success. So, they started adding different horns for other situations. At one point, in an emergency, the pilot got confused about which horn meant what, and had an accident. So now, Boeing replaced horns with a voice, like "pull up". Sounds obvious, right? But car beeps gen…

My parents’ ‘80s Chrysler New Yorker would talk instead of beep. ‘A door is ajar,” it would say, and we would giggle, ‘no, a door is a door!’ After Kitt in Nightrider, car companies wanted to be cool. https://youtube.com/shorts/IhSrmB2qCdY?is=vg47_htvXpXS2ElU

Eddie Murphy had a great comedy bit based on that car.

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Post by sehansen »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #756
petre wrote: post #624

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Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

That may be one reason, the other being they lost the Chinese market almost overnight a few years ago.

No they didn't. They had a hiccup in 2020 when the transition to electric cars really started accelerating but after they got their own electric cars into mass production they've reclaimed the top spot at 13.9% of the Chinese market. That's just ahead of Geely at 13.8%, Toyota at 7.8% and BYD at 7.1%.

It was hard to find reputable numbers for all of Q1, so my source is only for january and february: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...

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Post by flyingshelf »

mukbangpervert wrote: post #91
xvxvx wrote: post #10

I was recently in the Uk and one of the cars I was in would alert the driver if he was over the speed limit. Fair enough. But the alert itself is distracting. Are we to review every single alert from these cameras? Is that not just another distraction?

if you watch European car enthusiast review videos, they nearly all start by showing what's required to disable all of the nannies.

Don't worry the next OTA will both restore the warning and change/remove the ability to disable it. It's the future!

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Post by vvoyer »

pepperoni_pizza wrote: post #686
vvoyer wrote: post #680

Cars are becoming shittier in Europe, dumb regulations and people building cars are clearly NOT driving them. My wife got a new Volvo recently: 1. You can only open it with your phone (find it in purse, unlock it, find the app, wait, click) or a card that can only open on the driver side (can’t open the trunk). What was fucking wrong with keys? 2. No behind the steering wheel screen, only a large tablet center of the…

It is fascinating that you look at design choices that Chinese Volvo copied from American Tesla (except for the speed limit) and declare that European cars are the problem.

Because Europe is basically what drives laws here in France for driving, I would expect them to do what's best for the drivers and clearly they are not.

They should not allow car Manufacturers to sell cars when: - There's no physical knob to open it - The only place to read critical information like speed is a tablet on the side - The speed limit is a constant beep unless you disable it AT EVERY START by touching a screen on the side (their law basically)

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Post by roody15 »

These features suck on the few American cars I have seen them. In Florida using a rental driving to Orlando area my vehicle constantly told me to get my eye’s back on the road or to take a driving break. I was on a highway driving completely normal. Just annoying dashboard warnings over and over.

The only feature I like so far is the slight shake of the wheel if crossing over a lane.

Either this tech is janky/new or is just honestly not needed and distracting.

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