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Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

giving up your freedom to limit others in the name of safety seems unwise. too much control creates a generation behave like the kids.

Oh, the good old cars are freedom cliché? Thank you, I feel perfectly free when I don't have to worry about parking, gas, maintenance, taxes, inadvertently killing anyone, polluting...

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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You cannot look up "beep" in the manual when you have 40 beeps. You are not objectively worse off with a word than a beep, even if you do not understand the word. Driving a car with beeps and chimes and dings means they all mush together and get ignored.

Feels like it'd be easier to differentiate jingles compared to different words of a language you don't know. You can vary intonations etc, but by that point you're back to jingles.

Then I just have to learn to read sheet music to figure out what each specific tune means

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Anyone who's working on making driving a car unbearable has my vote! My bicycle has a single chime and it's manually operated.

Let me guess: You get your groceries delivered by some underpaid sucker? While I enjoy biking it's impractical many times (if you don't live a sheltered life with people doing all the annoying stuff for you). We have those inner city bike extremists here, too. There's proposals like banning all motorized traffic from the city because you "can walk to your bakery duh". But they never ask themselves how the baker gets…

No, I walk 200 meters to Billa or Lidl, or less to one of the plethora of small grocery stores.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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If I hate anything about the EU, its the morons writing regulations for cars. My car constantly distracts me with some beeps, sometimes loud enough to be dangerous. Its surely one of the reasons far right is on the rise -- with things like 'drivers party' in some European countries winning serious votes. I spend 1-2hrs in the car each day, and I hate what those regulations did to driving. (Worst offenders: Japanese c…

On the other hand, as someone living in a city with good public transit, I think cars should be regulated more. Cars make living in such a city a worse experience. They are loud and produce pollution (including EVs).

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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It boggles my mind that some people are more concerned how much fun driving a car is supposed to be vs 60 people dying in the EU in car accidents every day. If 60 people died because an airplane falls of the sky every day we wouldn't shrugg that off either, wouldn't we? And a voice that tells you to keep your eyes on the road when going 200 on the autobahn is one of the least offensive intervention I can think of.

> And a voice that tells you to keep your eyes on the road when going 200 on the autobahn is one of the least offensive intervention I can think of.

But according to the article it will ping when you glance at the scenery at 20 kph. If a system is annoying it will be a bigger distraction and source of frustration than what it's supposed to prevent, and people will find ways to turn it off.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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> Also, being constantly warned that I was speeding in rural areas where the car missed a speed limit sign caused me to start ignoring the speeding alarm within a few hours of driving the car. A lot of these features seem to assume that you're driving on a multi-lane motorway with well-marked lanes. I'm constantly being nudged by my ID.3 one way or another on rural roads. You can turn it off, but it turns itself back…

Maybe that's part of why VW had to fire 100k employees? They've been lately doing a subpar job designing cars.

That may be one reason, the other being they lost the Chinese market almost overnight a few years ago.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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It boggles my mind that some people are more concerned how much fun driving a car is supposed to be vs 60 people dying in the EU in car accidents every day. If 60 people died because an airplane falls of the sky every day we wouldn't shrugg that off either, wouldn't we? And a voice that tells you to keep your eyes on the road when going 200 on the autobahn is one of the least offensive intervention I can think of.

the optimal crime rate is non zero and the same goes for traffic death rate, because to bring them to zero would imply a dystopia where personal freedom is seriously limited

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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You can switch them off but only until the engine is turned off again. Most manufacturers have a shortcut on the dashboard or steering wheel though. Eventually you just get used to doing that every time you start driving.

>...until the engine is turned off again Modern electric Volkswagens (and some other brands) have this amazingly awful feature where lifting your ass off the driver's seat turns off the "ignition". The car just shuts off immediately, AC turns off, CarPlay disconnects, those driver settings reset. Even if I sit back one second later.

...even while driving?

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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Imagine driving thru night with kids sleeping and suddenly car starts beeping. Is there a way how to switch sensors off for similar situations?

If it makes someone put their phone down, or pull over when they are too tired to drive, perhaps the bigger question is if it prevents you all ending up in an accident - a lot worse of a situation than the beeping, in my opinion

If it beeps when you're NOT using your phone then people won't care about using their phone to begin with.

Re: Every new car sold in the European Union must include a driver monitoring camera

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> When I'm cruising on the highway I like to rest my right wrist on the top of the wheel, which blocks the sensor. Won't this shatter your wrist if your airbag deploys? I remember being taught to hold the sides of the wheel in driving class.

There's theory and there's practice. In theory you're supposed to maintain 10 and 2 at all times. In practice, that gets fatiguing over long trips.

In practice I had a dislocated wrist once and getting it put back in was the most painful experience of my life.
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