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Chat Control 1.0 and 2.0 Explained

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How do they scan e2e encrypted messages? Will they force apps/OSes to have master keys/institutional backdoors to have access to the private keys?

They could make all e2ee chats, group chats. Where instead of a 1-1 chat between two people or many-many chat between a lot of people, they do 1-1+1 or many-many+1, where the +1 is the government. Technically the underlaying company or anyone else still won't have access to messages and e2ee won't be "broken", except for the fact that there's one more party in the key exchange. Or they scan at the edge on the user's…

> Or they scan at the edge on the user's device.

So then the user can "just" install their own client.

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#223

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Let's stop the blut and soil BS right here. I am all for european panationalism but don't pretend that Europe is "your house" where "your ancestors" were. You come from a very specific culture inside it which has its own specific language and traditions and that has spent most its history warring with its neighbours, sometimes people in the next village speaking a different version of your lanuage. My ancestors and y…

>Let's stop the blut and soil BS do you feel the same way when Africans speak of Africa?

Well yes, I do not hesitate to say that this stuff is senseless and terrible:

> Nigeria says 2 nationals were killed during anti-migrant violence in South Africa

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/nigeria-ghana-malawi-fore...

> ‘Leave or return in a coffin’: The threat driving migrants out of South Africa

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/29/africa/south-africa-anti-...

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The system we got for this is called parenting. And there is a saying where I grew up: you need a village to raise a kid, I feel like we lost track of that and feel the issues of that now. Btw, von der leyen is trying to get stuff like this written down as laws since 2009, it got her the nickname Zensursula.

> The system we got for this is called parenting And it fails miserably.

It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where the parents gave up the parenting of their kids and entrusted that to educational institutions instead.

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#226

When it comes to online actions people ask for way more than reasonable. You dont get to be an invisible, impossible to track, unaccountable hacker man free to roam the internet on equal footing to the rest of the users.

This is a strawman argument. Almost no one who wants to preserve their right to free and open communication without government knowledge or interference, wants that so that they can hack.

It’s not about catching hackers or child predators, it’s about government control.

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#227

Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse. But this is the ultimate "grant me dictatorial powers so I can do good" play. Rather than narrow and specific - it's a broad based law that suddenly touches everyone even though offenders are a small percentage and should be able to be targeted more efficiently.

> Most everyone would love to see more work on stopping child sexual abuse.

By the parents. Install parental controls that only allow to message you and closest relatives. Problem solved.

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Maybe don't trust AI so much. Obviously the fascists don't put their most odious ideas in writing, they plan them in secret instead. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/19/turmoil-in-ger...

> discuss removing asylum seekers Those aren't citizens though? I don't agree with their ideals but lets please be honest about what they do and don't support.

> asylum seekers and German citizens of foreign origin deemed to have failed to integrate.

Read just a little bit more of the article ;)

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> The system we got for this is called parenting And it fails miserably.

It's been working for tens of thousands of years. What changed in the last few decades wasn't parenting or technology. It was the rise of the nanny state where the parents gave up the parenting of their kids and entrusted that to educational institutions instead.

It both works and fails, like many other things. But if you hold the goal that it must never fail in sufficiently high esteem, you invariably end up with a system like the one we have now.

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Well it's privacy from private companies. The government still needs to see everything you do just in case. Its not like you have anything to do hide? Do you?

I keep trying to explain to people that private companies harvesting your data, while not good, is done solely for the purpose of trying to get you to voluntarily buy more toilet bowl cleaner. Meanwhile, Governments can take away your freedom, block your right to speech, ruin your entire life, seize your private assets/wealth, take away your children, deport you, etc...all depending on how the cultural wind is blowin…

> is done solely for the purpose of trying to get you to voluntarily buy more toilet bowl cleaner.

And to steal tips [1], lower your salary [2,3], charge you more [3,4], and limit how you may use "your" property [5]. I'm sure there are many I've missed.

Oh and how could I forget - to smear you if you stand in their way [6].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoorDash#Withholding_of_tips_a... (try doing that when tips are in cash)

[2] https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20260401139/emp...

[3] https://towardsjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/Real-S...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination

[5] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/27/nvidia-limits-data-center-us...

[6] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/aug/07/monsanto-fu...

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