Lists of banned books are often quite disappointing, and I think they fall into a few categories: - Books that are simply bad books and in addition to being bad take an aggressive, political bent. (eg: the handmaid's tale) - Books that seem relatively anodyne, and it's not clear why they were banned. (eg: the perks of being a wallflower) - Books that governments might have feared in the old days, but are now much les…
> Books that are simply bad books and in addition to being bad take an aggressive, political bent. (eg: the handmaid's tale) Weird example. The Handmaid's Tale is quite good. Edit: wow, downvotes for stating a book is quite good. HN at its worst. Edit 2: in fact it's so bizarre, also seeing other commenters here downvoted for saying Handmaid is a good book, that I struggled to see the reason for the ire. I'm not from…
Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
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#152I am normally with the cynics but I have trouble believing that none of the commenters are unaware that some books are banned in schools, prisons and military bases, in America. This is not just a problem limited to foreign theocracies.
They are banned in the US in the same way playboy magazine is, they are not allowed in certain places. Would you say that Playboy Magazine is a banned book becuase its not allowed in schools and prisons?
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#154Whenever the topic of “banned books” comes up, a bunch of people argue about whether they should be called “banned”. What I haven’t seen mentioned in these discussions is where the mental association of “banned books” comes from. In America, at least, the school curriculum spends a lot of time talking about dictators. It mentions, numerous times over many years of a child’s life, that something dictators often do is…
However, Catcher in the Rye is banned not primarily for these nuanced misreadings, but instead primarily for its profanity. Meaning if we stripped the profanity out, this dangerous book would likely never have been banned in the first place. When you allow these bureaucratic institutions to ban books, they are not going to Socraticly reason through what should and should not be banned in a rigorous manner. They are going to ban books that vibe against their “sensibilities”.
Given that we do not have philosopher kings making these ban decisions, the least bad option is to not have any ban. Encourage kids to read broadly and get many different perspectives. More importantly, teach them to act as a scouts who should be proud/excited when they find a new opinion other than their own — and even more excited to find an opinion better than their own to adopt — rather than a warrior who is proud that their previous opinion was “right the whole time”. Sometimes your old opinion was proven right by new information, but that should not make you excited/proud. I’m confident that if all children are taught this scout-mindset that solving the intractable problem of banning books “correctly” would be completely unnecessary. Matter of fact, having children build immunity to bad ideas through learning how to be a “good scout” would be strictly better than making little bubble-boys who are safe from bad ideas only because the thin bubble the “philosopher kings” set up for them. The latter bubble makes children’s immune system unprepared for the real world while the scout mindset helps build hyper-capable, curious, and civically engaged adults.
Re: Dua Lipa opens library for banned and censored books in Portugal
#155Lists of banned books are often quite disappointing, and I think they fall into a few categories: - Books that are simply bad books and in addition to being bad take an aggressive, political bent. (eg: the handmaid's tale) - Books that seem relatively anodyne, and it's not clear why they were banned. (eg: the perks of being a wallflower) - Books that governments might have feared in the old days, but are now much les…
> ... prevent access to information. ... or find countless video reviews which contain its ideas Popping in to point out that novels are not "information" in the sense of being lists of facts or ideas. The medium is part of the message. That's why novels can be banned but a list of the facts/ideas are often not. Reading an AI summary of a novel is not even roughly equivalent to reading the book. (Before AI, there wer…
I'd still hold that you can just get ahold of books these days if you want to, but your point stands that the mere spread of ideas is not equivalent to really reading the whole book.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, make it part of the curriculum. Read it and shown how boring and stupid it is. Demystify such nonsense
> Read it and shown how boring and stupid it is. Except it's not, or it couldn't have continued to radicalize people to this very day.
There may be books which radicalise people. But I'm fairly sure Mein Kampf is not one of them.
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#157Whenever the topic of “banned books” comes up, a bunch of people argue about whether they should be called “banned”. What I haven’t seen mentioned in these discussions is where the mental association of “banned books” comes from. In America, at least, the school curriculum spends a lot of time talking about dictators. It mentions, numerous times over many years of a child’s life, that something dictators often do is…
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#158Dua Lipa opens, in Portugal, a library for books that are banned and censored (elsewhere).
That makes more sense. How could a library or a bookshop in a location legally offer books that are banned in that location?
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#159They are not banned in portugal. Appreciate the gesture but it s very inconsequential.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are banned somewhere and the library is open in Portugal. If they were banned in Portugal it would run afoul of the legal system, and probably be closed down, obviously. But if the criteria of being in the library - that the book be banned somewhere in the world; that's a reason to visit the library in of itself. Though I think there's going to be a lot of garbage, one need only remember that Life of Brian (the…
> one need only remember that Life of Brian (the Monty Python movie) is banned in the Vatican. I can find no confirmation of this, or of any ban since 1966 (and that is assuming that the index of forbidden books had legal force in the Vatican). > But if the criteria of being in the library - that the book be banned somewhere in the world; that's a reason to visit the library in of itself. Is it worth a visit to a phy…
(Some but not all country grids do list unbanned dates.)