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Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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Isn't much of the science work just taking money for doing basically nothing? I don't think that is a loss for the us.

"Science work" is NOT doing nothing. All the modern conveniences we have today came through such work, which usually go for long stretches of time before payoff.

Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The amount of skilled immigrants, researchers and engineers, matters for this comparison. Not just the total amount including random people arriving at the coast.

No, total immigration matters. Human progress is always subject to the law large numbers. Skilled polish engineers don't want to be the only polish person in the entire country. They want food, culture, community that reminds them of home. Even as they assimilate. That's why the American melting pot works well. It encourages enclaves that touch one another. China is the opposite of that. You are hard hammered into th…

> Even as they assimilate. That's why the American melting pot works well.

I feel like a lot of Americans disagree on these nowadays though, no? Source: just look at recent campaigns and elections.

Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do you call paying someone legally a "bribe" ?

Paying government to make laws allowing you to gain extra profits – lobbying (not a bribe) Paying mandatory but arbitrary amount to a restaurant on top of your bill – tips (not a hidden fee). Paying someone an official salary – a bribe. American logic

Our Glorious Leader Their Wicked Despot comic comes to mind.

Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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post #46

The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?

Is it an accident though? This seems very deliberate

Maybe the current administration underestimates the impact of public research, and thinks Silicon Valley appeared out of nowhere.

Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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post #18

The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?

China is not very immigration friendly to non-han folks, but I guess chinese researchers won't make it to the US and this already will have a great effect on the chinese economy. Europe is in its own set of problems and it is not in the same situation that US used to be after WW2 (only major economy not affected by bombing). Europe's problems: * active major war in Ukraine (lasting longer than Axis/Soviet war in WW2)…

> Europe is in its own set of problems and it is not in the same situation that US used to be after WW2 (only major economy not affected by bombing).

Both Japan and South Korea were equally devastated and yet they managed to build world-class technology industries in the subsequent decades. I think the problems with Europe and the EU are a lot deeper than that.

Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)

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post #18

The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?

China is not very immigration friendly to non-han folks, but I guess chinese researchers won't make it to the US and this already will have a great effect on the chinese economy. Europe is in its own set of problems and it is not in the same situation that US used to be after WW2 (only major economy not affected by bombing). Europe's problems: * active major war in Ukraine (lasting longer than Axis/Soviet war in WW2)…

> Europe's problems: [...]

Would it be silly to add "general lack of air conditioning" to that list? I imagine at some point it inevitably stops being a joke and starts being a real problem. Have we reached that point yet? [1] [2]

[1] https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-frances-june-heatwave...

[2] https://www.dw.com/en/heat-wave-european-countries-report-37...

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