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Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
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Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#12Great initiative, and good to see that it has an effect. I'm a bit sceptical about the available funds. 1 million over 5 years is a nice starting package (4+ PhD students), but the availability of overall research grant money in the Netherlands has been under pressure for years and is difficult to acquire. Researchers moving here may find it difficult to acquire further grant money compared to US, at least in CS.
Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#13Isn't much of the science work just taking money for doing basically nothing? I don't think that is a loss for the us.
No. It is for research that wouldn't be funded by companies, since it is either too risky or has too long of a time-horizon. If all academic research was removed from the world you would notice a vast stagnation in technological progress. This can be confirmed by looking at what technologies have come from this process, and what private research built upon public research.
Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#14America is like a trust fund baby given all the advantages and then the baby goes "fuck it, life is too hard, I am just going to do coke and die early”.
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#15The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?
Probably Europe. Seems more attractive for researchers. China is probably too different to be attractive for most Americans.
Even if not a single researcher goes from the US to China, it may still benefit them
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Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#17This title is such clickbait. All the article talks about is a Dutch fund created to recruit scientists and they have successfully recruited them. At 1 million euros per head.
Seems accurate enough to me. That’s not a ton of money to uproot your life over tbh. Shows there’s willingness to leave with a little bit of incentive.
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#18The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?
China is not very immigration friendly to non-han folks, but I guess chinese researchers won't make it to the US and this already will have a great effect on the chinese economy.
Europe is in its own set of problems and it is not in the same situation that US used to be after WW2 (only major economy not affected by bombing).
Europe's problems:
* active major war in Ukraine (lasting longer than Axis/Soviet war in WW2)
* energy supply issues (unlike US it's not energy sufficient and the places that supply it with energy are involved with wars)
* a wall of people aging away from employment and into doctor's and hospital waiting rooms (forcing less investment into research and roads/bridges/railway, more towards stabilizing pensions, healthcare)
* major pieces of the european export economy are being replaced by China (eg chinese car brands eating the lunch of european car brands).
Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#19Isn't much of the science work just taking money for doing basically nothing? I don't think that is a loss for the us.
Hacker News really isn't what it used to be, huh.
Re: Top researchers leave USA for the Netherlands (in Dutch)
#20The US is accidentally conducting Operation Paperclip but in reverse. Who will benefit the most from it, China or Europe ?
Probably Europe. Seems more attractive for researchers. China is probably too different to be attractive for most Americans.
It's not too different for ethnic Chinese researchers, of which there are a lot in American STEM departments.