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Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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I think I've read somewhere that JIS was phased out after Philips standard included some of JIS features and that theoretically modern Philips screwdrivers should be compatible with JIS.

The JIS, ISO and ASME standards for cross head screw drivers are fully compatible. The myth that JIS needs special screwdrivers is caused by people using either using the wrong size (easy at small sizes), using a worn-out or poorly-made screwdriver, or using Pozidriv (which is genuinely very different). Anecdotally, about 5 years ago I bought a set of off-brand "premium" screwdrivers, where it turned out the Phillips…

You got the wrong standard. JIS B 1012 type H is Philips equivalent, but what people refer to as the JIS screw is JIS B 1012 type S. JIS B 1012 Type S ("JIS") and ISO 8764 (Philips) are entirely different screw and scredriver profiles. See https://www.peterverdone.com/jis-cross-head-screws-and-drive....

The Philips screwdriver has lobes with a large multi-stage taper that ejects the screwdriver from the screw upon torque. The JIS screwdriver lobes are in contrast almost perfect 90 degree angle with a tiny filet in the center - not dissimilar to the Frearson screw.

A Philips screwdriver will be unable to insert all the way into a JIS screw due to this taper, exactly similar to how the extra lobes on a Pozidriv screwdriver collides a Philips screw. Attempting to apply torque with this partial engagement puts you at very high risk of stripping the screw.

A JIS screwdriver however does work perfectly fine in Philips screws, often even better than the Philips screwdriver as you did away with one half of the "screwdriver ejection feature".

There's a reason that iFixit goes out of their way to make both JIS and Philips bits, and warn you in their guides. They aren't really in the business of trying to cram more bits down your throat for fun.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

I think I've read somewhere that JIS was phased out after Philips standard included some of JIS features and that theoretically modern Philips screwdrivers should be compatible with JIS.

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Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

> Also, as the device is Japanese, it uses JIS screws rather than Philips (in addition to triwing), which could surprise some. My understanding is that Europeans also generally tend to not use Phillips screws, but Pozidriv instead.

Am European, yeah but pozidriv was never used for tiny screws. We have also pretty much migrated all screw sizes to torx nowadays, so I only ever really see pozidriv on older appliances and hardware, while Philips mostly happen on imports.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

Phillips Heads: The design is often criticized for its tendency to cam out at lower torque levels than other "cross head" designs. There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners.[15]: 85 [16] There is no good evidence for this suggestion, and the property is not mentioned in the original patents.[17]

They describe it as a feature in their later 1942 patent (US2474994A), in the description of which they mention it to protect against powertools with poor torque control, claiming that a better screw would only be possible if power tools and their torque control were perfect and that it is therefore a required feature.

The original designs did not reference this though, so it seems more like them adopting an observed behavior as a feature - so the statement that it was originally designed to be that way is indeed off, but the company did adopt the behavior in official paperwork.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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A modern cell phone is very different from the old flip phones and SLRs/large dedicated camera. Resealing modern phones after upgrades/repairs is one of the harder parts of the whole process with fiddly little sealing glue gaskets to maintain IP ratings.

Again, solved problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone_6

'Solved' by having measurably worse ingress protection than leading smartphones?

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Again, solved problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone_6

'Solved' by having measurably worse ingress protection than leading smartphones?

Yes, this is solved. Samsung makes rugged IP68 phones with user swappable batteries that are thinner than an iPhone 17 Pro when factoring the camera bump [1].

It's kind of comical how accurate this comment is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48807174

[1] https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover7-12784.php

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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What constitutes a replaceable battery in this regulation? I don’t want hatches on things. Especially not phones. It’s fine to have some screws between me and a battery, if that makes it have 1% more capacity, 1% more rigid or be 1% more water proof.

https://prodlaw.eu/2025/02/eu-battery-regulation-removabilit...

Basically changeable with normal tools and safely without risk of destroying the battery or product.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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What constitutes a replaceable battery in this regulation? I don’t want hatches on things. Especially not phones. It’s fine to have some screws between me and a battery, if that makes it have 1% more capacity, 1% more rigid or be 1% more water proof.

Screws are fine, glue is not

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

> A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it. Commercially available tools are considered to be tools available on the market to all end-users without the need for them to provide evidence of any proprietary rights and that can be used with no restriction, except health and safety-related restrictions.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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post #188

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It is typically a 40hr battery life. ~6 hours is quite a drop.

The Switch 2 has a 5-hour battery life, and the controllers can charge through the console. Put the controllers on the device when you're not using it (which seems like the obvious place to keep them), and they'll never run out.

Sorry I should have specified that is the pro controller, typical use case is a docked switch and the controller is used while on a couch or some such.

Literally the worst case scenario for dramatic reduction in battery life.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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post #172

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I'm not sure what you're trying to say? The replaceable battery is either thicker, or it isn't. There's not much to accommodate. This is already a thing for some [dedicated] cameras like the Canon EOS series.

A thicker battery would need a new back built with a hump or standoffs across the whole back to increase the overall thickness to match the new larger battery thickness...

I've had a HTC HD2 that had exactly that[1] - an extended battery with a bump. It looked silly, but did its job and in daily usage wasn't that big of a deal, actually provided a resting spot for my index finger.

[1] https://www.phonearena.com/news/Extended-battery-with-kick-s...

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