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Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by rtkwe »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #134
braiamp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm baffled that we still are thinking that we want thin phones. We have a gigantic camera bump that would be removed if the phone was thicker. Who wants a razor in their pocket, like really?

Not only that, but if phone batteries were user replaceable, they could be sold in multiple capacities. So people that want "thin" phones can keep their camera protrusions, and the people that want more battery capacity could get a pack that allows the phone to sit flush on a table. Literally win win win.

You say that like it'd be a simple process to accommodate the different thicknesses of battery..

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by QuercusMax »

cogman10 wrote: post #137
deaton wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torx is also common and also way way better than philips. Really we as a society need to phase out philips screws yesterday.

Philips is great for what it's designed to do, strip out. But for electronics I basically never want that behavior.

So in essence, if you EVER think you might need to disassemble something, you shouldn't use Philips.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

#143

Post by matchbok3 »

mdrzn wrote: post #22

"There is no difference in functionality between current products and revised products containing user-replaceable batteries." So there was nothing "limiting" them from making it already with user-replaceable batteries, they just didn't care enough until EU forced them (like all the smartphone brands). Love EU.

Didn't care? Consumers don't care about this. Like most EU laws, this is a solution in search of a problem. Nintendo, like every other tech company, did the research and found that people simply don't care about this stuff. Now we have more complicated devices and have to buy our own batteries for what, exactly? There is just very little benefit here.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by calvinmorrison »

arghwhat wrote: post #92
Zambyte wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they didn't care, it's that they did care in the wrong way. A non-replacable battery means people will be more likely to buy a whole new device if (when) the battery fails.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

Phillips Heads: The design is often criticized for its tendency to cam out at lower torque levels than other "cross head" designs. There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners.[15]: 85 [16] There is no good evidence for this suggestion, and the property is not mentioned in the original patents.[17]

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

#145

Post by murderfs »

arghwhat wrote: post #92
Zambyte wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that they didn't care, it's that they did care in the wrong way. A non-replacable battery means people will be more likely to buy a whole new device if (when) the battery fails.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

> Also, as the device is Japanese, it uses JIS screws rather than Philips (in addition to triwing), which could surprise some.

My understanding is that Europeans also generally tend to not use Phillips screws, but Pozidriv instead.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by josu »

flutas wrote: post #99
josu wrote: post #91

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Is it? >Battery capacity: 5172mAh, approximately 1% smaller than current version (5220mAh)

Quoting just one of the smallest one feels a bit... charged. There's small tradeoffs among all of them when you account for weight. For everyone else here's the full list: Switch 2 Battery capacity: 5172mAh, approximately 1% smaller than current version (5220mAh) Weight: Approximately 411g, around 10g heavier than current version With Joy-Con 2 controllers attached: Approximately 548g, around 14g heavier than current…

The console one seems the only relevant one. I'm a casual gamer, but the joycon running out of battery doesn't feel that annoying to me. That 16% has a much smaller impact on the JoyCon than on the main device.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by scheme271 »

matchbok3 wrote: post #143
mdrzn wrote: post #22

"There is no difference in functionality between current products and revised products containing user-replaceable batteries." So there was nothing "limiting" them from making it already with user-replaceable batteries, they just didn't care enough until EU forced them (like all the smartphone brands). Love EU.

Didn't care? Consumers don't care about this. Like most EU laws, this is a solution in search of a problem. Nintendo, like every other tech company, did the research and found that people simply don't care about this stuff. Now we have more complicated devices and have to buy our own batteries for what, exactly? There is just very little benefit here.

I think consumers do care when they have to throw away a device or pay for a repair because the battery health has significantly degraded. This is really similar to the argument against having a standardized charging port or requiring usb-c charge ports for cellphones.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

rtkwe wrote: post #141
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that, but if phone batteries were user replaceable, they could be sold in multiple capacities. So people that want "thin" phones can keep their camera protrusions, and the people that want more battery capacity could get a pack that allows the phone to sit flush on a table. Literally win win win.

You say that like it'd be a simple process to accommodate the different thicknesses of battery..

I'm not sure what you're trying to say? The replaceable battery is either thicker, or it isn't. There's not much to accommodate.

This is already a thing for some [dedicated] cameras like the Canon EOS series.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by soperj »

whycome wrote: post #133
deaton wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Torx is also common and also way way better than philips. Really we as a society need to phase out philips screws yesterday.

The prevalence of Robertson in Canada is amazing.

I keep the Robertson head in my drill because it's pretty much the only one I ever use.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

#150

Post by matchbok3 »

scheme271 wrote: post #147
matchbok3 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't care? Consumers don't care about this. Like most EU laws, this is a solution in search of a problem. Nintendo, like every other tech company, did the research and found that people simply don't care about this stuff. Now we have more complicated devices and have to buy our own batteries for what, exactly? There is just very little benefit here.

I think consumers do care when they have to throw away a device or pay for a repair because the battery health has significantly degraded. This is really similar to the argument against having a standardized charging port or requiring usb-c charge ports for cellphones.

Yeah, I agree. Also, there's little evidence that consumers really care about this. Batteries last a long time now.
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