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Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by rtkwe »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #174
rtkwe wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A thicker battery would need a new back built with a hump or standoffs across the whole back to increase the overall thickness to match the new larger battery thickness...

Correct. This used to be done before on flip phones, and is still currently being done for dedicated cameras. This is a solved problem and not an issue.

A modern cell phone is very different from the old flip phones and SLRs/large dedicated camera. Resealing modern phones after upgrades/repairs is one of the harder parts of the whole process with fiddly little sealing glue gaskets to maintain IP ratings.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by babypuncher »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #144
arghwhat wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

Phillips Heads: The design is often criticized for its tendency to cam out at lower torque levels than other "cross head" designs. There has long been a popular belief that this was a deliberate feature of the design, to assemble aluminium aircraft without overtightening the fasteners.[15]: 85 [16] There is no good evidence for this suggestion, and the property is not mentioned in the original patents.[17]

If I were to speculate, the point of phillips head was to just be easier to use than flat head while still being easy to manufacture 90 years ago. The better heads introduced since then have more intricate designs that require more precise manufacturing than a simple stamp

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by ProfessorLayton »

rtkwe wrote: post #181
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct. This used to be done before on flip phones, and is still currently being done for dedicated cameras. This is a solved problem and not an issue.

A modern cell phone is very different from the old flip phones and SLRs/large dedicated camera. Resealing modern phones after upgrades/repairs is one of the harder parts of the whole process with fiddly little sealing glue gaskets to maintain IP ratings.

Again, solved problem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairphone_6

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by drdexebtjl »

hadlock wrote: post #139
arghwhat wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

>it uses JIS screws rather than Philips (in addition to triwing) I don't think this is an issue for anyone who has had to disassemble a japanese device before, and the bits are widely available online. Countless youtube videos have discussed that JIS vs Philips in the consumer space are largely compatible outside of american aircraft construction.

I've disassembled a few Japanese cameras with JIS screws, and they're definitely not largely compatible. You will strip the screw.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by resonious »

Zambyte wrote: post #40
mdrzn wrote: post #22

"There is no difference in functionality between current products and revised products containing user-replaceable batteries." So there was nothing "limiting" them from making it already with user-replaceable batteries, they just didn't care enough until EU forced them (like all the smartphone brands). Love EU.

It's not that they didn't care, it's that they did care in the wrong way. A non-replacable battery means people will be more likely to buy a whole new device if (when) the battery fails.

This is an old rumor but I thought Nintendo made a loss on the devices. If that's true, why would they want to sell more?

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

jacekm wrote: post #169
arghwhat wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be clear, all the mentioned Nintendo products are already designed for battery replacement, with well-contained battery units and easy connectors, and the batteries are available and problem-free to replace unlike for a certain fruit company. The redesign is because the ease of accessing the batteries did not comply with the new rules. The pro controller in particular requires almost complete disassembly to get to…

I think I've read somewhere that JIS was phased out after Philips standard included some of JIS features and that theoretically modern Philips screwdrivers should be compatible with JIS.

The JIS, ISO and ASME standards for cross head screw drivers are fully compatible.

The myth that JIS needs special screwdrivers is caused by people using either using the wrong size (easy at small sizes), using a worn-out or poorly-made screwdriver, or using Pozidriv (which is genuinely very different).

Anecdotally, about 5 years ago I bought a set of off-brand "premium" screwdrivers, where it turned out the Phillips head ones (yes there are two L's in there) were so far outside the standard I had to just throw them in the trash.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

graypegg wrote: post #167
murderfs wrote: post #145

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> Also, as the device is Japanese, it uses JIS screws rather than Philips (in addition to triwing), which could surprise some. My understanding is that Europeans also generally tend to not use Phillips screws, but Pozidriv instead.

Philips in PZ screws is generally going to cam out like a regular philips head, just because you're not biting into the top with the PZ... triangle bits? I'm sure there's a technical name haha. So you can get by with that, a self-selected crappy philips experience when you could've chosen pozidriv bliss. Philips in JIS screws is an exercise in anger management. IIRC, JIS has a much wider angle on the bottom of the dr…

It's not the top triangle bits that cause the problem, it's that the whole geometry is different with parallel versus tapered flanks.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by crote »

com2kid wrote: post #135
cromka wrote: post #116

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They quoted what matters the most as it's for a device which has single shortest runtime on a battery: the Switch console itself. Because who cares if the controller lasts 27 or 30 days? (Or so, don't quite me on exact numbers).

It is typically a 40hr battery life. ~6 hours is quite a drop.

The Switch 2 has a 5-hour battery life, and the controllers can charge through the console.

Put the controllers on the device when you're not using it (which seems like the obvious place to keep them), and they'll never run out.

Re: Nintendo announces new product revisions in Europe with replaceable batteries

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Post by shawn_w »

lapetitejort wrote: post #170
Kankuro wrote: post #130

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I recently changed the battery of my Switch 1, if for most of the process it was easy, and I really struggled on two points. 1) the plastic part into which the screws are screwed broke, and it is tough to remove them. 2) ungluing the battery with isopropyl alcohol without breaking anything was very long for me. I recently changed the USB port of my Fairphone 4 and it was just unscrewing and screwing. So for me it is…

There's been some recent developments with removing batteries glued to the device: use floss or some other thin string and saw through the glue. The string won't pierce the battery and can fit in tight spots.

That's clever.
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