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Cannabis users face substantially higher risk of heart attack (2025)

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Post by switchbak »

galleywest200 wrote: post #63
ck2 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sure but you aren't going to help mental/emotional problems by getting stoned there are far better, legal supplements to treat that anyway, less expensive too dope activates AMPK in the brain/CNS and turns off AMPK in the body/heart it's an incredibly stupid thing to do to yourself (also why people get "the munchies") literally why it's called dope (before dope meant "cool")

> less expensive too Marijuana is dirt cheap compared to any prescription medication, at least in the US.

They did say “legal supplements”, not prescriptions. But I’m not sure what they’re actually suggesting.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

randsorex wrote: post #57
teekert wrote: post #27

I wonder about all the confounding effects. In my country (famous for cannabis to be easy to come by (for decades already), and I saw many smoke from age 16 up as I grew up in 90's, 00's). I have always felt that the heavy cannabis smokers had something to compensate; stress, unrest, impending depression, friction with parents. It was never the healthy sporty types with fulfilling relationships, good grades or a nice…

I have largely stopped smoking because when I smoke regularly I end up weighing 20-30lbs more from eating everything. Going on an actual calorie restricted diet while consuming cannabis is basically impossible for me. Then instead of walking 60 minutes I end up sitting and listening to music. There is really not anything for me that correlates with healthy behavior when I smoke.

You ever taken a hike or nature something and try it in that different context?

Set and Setting are also relevant too. If you do it a soecfic way with other soecific tools and activities while on it, that all gets packaged and reinforced.

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Post by Noaidi »

tyjen wrote: post #70
Noaidi wrote: post #31

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Many people have had cardiologists say they have perfectly fine hearts go on to have heart attacks months later. My brother was one of these people. He was going in for spinal surgery, cardio said his heart was fine. Two weeks after surgery he was short of breath. Turns out he needed a triple bypass. And that was a physical change. Heart attacks happen because of electrocardiac issues as well.

Information asymmetries are a bane in the medical doctor market. Trust doctors with a grain of salt. There are many bad doctors that market themselves as good doctors, but are in reality terrible providers. I recently had a scare, where I was encouraged by two separate general practitioners to seek immediate care with an ophthalmologist. I visited the ophthalmologist who I was referred to and they said everything was…

> After visiting a competent ophthalmologist, they were flabbergasted by what the other did. Ten appointments within 2 weeks later with the new specialist and we're undoing the damage that was easily preventable.

Eeesh...sorry about that. Been there my whole life. It too ten years to get an appointment with a Hematologist and was finally diagnosed with Erythrocytosis which I told them I had but always said my HCT levels were "not really that high". The Hematologist looked at my records and wondered why they did not send me in twenty years ago. I am on Medicare which makes it much more difficult.

> Anyhow, hope your brother recovered well.

My whole family disowned me for no other reason than me having a serious mental illness so I do not care. But thanks.

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Post by galangalalgol »

derektank wrote: post #67
detourdog wrote: post #50

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I believe it’s an “artificial” reward mechanism for some people. The ability to control one’s own rewards is an easy habit to take up. If the rewards aren’t coming from externalities one needs to get them from somewhere.

If I had to guess, this is also the appeal of many video games.

Absolutely. I have abused games this way, and the only way I can play them responsibly is physically present multiplayer.

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Post by goodroot »

shevy-java wrote: post #45

What I find fascinating is how smokers rationalize their behaviour, e. g. "weed is harmless". When they compare it to fentanyl or heroine/cocaine, but compounds are never intrinsically harmless. But you can not get that message across most folks who are smoking weed. It's a somewhat similar issue, to some extent, when you look at sumo wrestlers. These have a significantly lower life expectancy on average than the res…

There's a saying: don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. The same human mind that rationalizes the intake of substances is the same one that rationalizes social networks, junk food, eating meat, whatever it is. I wouldn't be so quick to condescend.

At some point in time, it's important to realize that not everyone optimizes for longevity, correctness, rationalism, and so on, and they just simply do what makes them feel good within the limited life that they have.

Nothing is intrinsically harmless. Cannabis can be devastating. But I was just sitting here doing work one day, got a hemorrhage in my eye, and lost half the sight in it. Otherwise, I'm supremely healthy. The cause: a gene.

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Post by ngvrnd »

tyjen wrote: post #70
Noaidi wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people have had cardiologists say they have perfectly fine hearts go on to have heart attacks months later. My brother was one of these people. He was going in for spinal surgery, cardio said his heart was fine. Two weeks after surgery he was short of breath. Turns out he needed a triple bypass. And that was a physical change. Heart attacks happen because of electrocardiac issues as well.

Information asymmetries are a bane in the medical doctor market. Trust doctors with a grain of salt. There are many bad doctors that market themselves as good doctors, but are in reality terrible providers. I recently had a scare, where I was encouraged by two separate general practitioners to seek immediate care with an ophthalmologist. I visited the ophthalmologist who I was referred to and they said everything was…

this is so true. There's huge variability in competence. and many doctors have fled to boutique medical care, or whatever it's called, since the recent changes in healthcare.

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Post by calmworm »

xprnio wrote: post #68
detourdog wrote: post #44

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Not to mention cocaine.

The cannabis to cocaine pipeline sadly is real, whether we want to or not. As long as the same people we buy our weed from also have a chance of being the people that have cocaine for you to buy, all that’s left to figure out is the money and the willingness to buy some. (Sadly speaking from experience)

This is odd to me. The X to Y pipeline is real if A, B, and C also align. It’s a weak correlation that sounds a lot like the “gateway drug” propaganda.

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Post by dempedempe »

kranner wrote: post #41
embedding-shape wrote: post #5

> researchers were unable to account for several potential confounding factors including the duration and amount of cannabis use or the use of tobacco or other drugs. Personally I'd wager a bet it's the tobacco and/or smoking that is the harmful part, but it kind of dumbfounds me they failed to account for "details" like "duration and amount of cannabis use", that feels like a very vital thing to control for. Nothing…

Edible forms of cannabis raise heart rate and blood pressure substantially as well.

Yeah it raises heart rate and blood pressure bc it dilates your blood vessels. The raised HR/BP are to counter that so you keep pushing the same amount of O2 per unit time.

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Post by bushwart »

dvduval wrote: post #11

For me, cannabis causes anxiety, and it’s pretty well established that anybody with anxiety or bipolar or schizophrenia should not be using cannabis because it can make these much worse. I don’t suffer anxiety anymore, but there’s plenty of scientific evidence about the relationship between anxiety and cannabis use.

What strains have you tried?
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