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There are differences in types of data centers and hyper scale data centers are extremely different than what you're imagining.
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Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
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>gives those voters a de-facto, outsized, soft power How?
You, via your electeds, (in theory) have more power over a datacenter in your own jurisdiction than not. Though that does depend a lot on your electeds not being in the pocket of the datacenter's owners, and on the regulatory environment of the country/state leaving power available to city/county officials to do anything.
>(in theory)
>leaving power available
This just sounds like 'no' but with extra indirection.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
We should also keep in mind that the problem isn't datacenters, but how they are built. Datacenters do not have to be noisy. Datacenters do not have to cheap out on cooling solutions. Datacenters do not need to be powered by mobile gas turbines left on trailers to pretend they're not permanently installed to avoid having to get permits. Those corners being cut is not what make AI datacenters possible or competitive.…
> Datacenters do not need to be powered by mobile gas turbines left on trailers The others I agree with, but Im not sure this is true. The US government has proven itself completely incapable of expanding electricity production and grid infrastructure. How exactly are you supposed to power your datacenter when you cant access any electricity?
Three ways:
1. Build your datacenter near supply. If there were consequences to ignoring the rules or being a bad neighbor with municipality, state or federal government baring their teeth, more optimal locations with regards to supply and noise would also end up being the cheapest and safest location for them.
2. Build supply near your datacenter. Solar and wind are both very cheap right now, but requires buying more land, same for a proper gas power plant in its own building with appropriate noise and pollution treatment.
3. Make investment into infrastructure a prerequisite for the project instead of just complaining about it and making into an excuse for cutting corners.
Even if you need to have local supply, "mobile gas turbines left on trailers to pretend they're not permanently installed to avoid having to get permits" is never a necessity.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#64The DCs are going up across middle income countries: industrial zones in South East Asia, India and Morocco, and also UAE/Saudi. Anger towards DCs are pertinent from a politics-in-rich-country angle, but it has no relevance on the overall trajectory of where we are heading. If DCs get banned in the US, there are still many middle income countries who want them in their special industrial zones, due to the FDI and emp…
They provide very few employment opportunities.
Yeah, the only point where DCs employ a lot of people are during the construction period. Maybe good if you have a ton of excess electricity and you need to prop up your local construction industry for the next five years.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#65The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.
Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#66The DCs are going up across middle income countries: industrial zones in South East Asia, India and Morocco, and also UAE/Saudi. Anger towards DCs are pertinent from a politics-in-rich-country angle, but it has no relevance on the overall trajectory of where we are heading. If DCs get banned in the US, there are still many middle income countries who want them in their special industrial zones, due to the FDI and emp…
Always with the threats. "You better roll over and take it, because those other countries are"
How about the middle ground of ok, you can build the datacenter, but it's owned by the locality. They can lease it back to the builder for the privilege of being able to operate on their ground. And the lease is steep. No more second homes on the cape, or private italian schools for the kids.
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#67The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.
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Did our demand for social media apps suddenly blow up? Because our DC demand seems to be blowing up.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#68The DCs are going up across middle income countries: industrial zones in South East Asia, India and Morocco, and also UAE/Saudi. Anger towards DCs are pertinent from a politics-in-rich-country angle, but it has no relevance on the overall trajectory of where we are heading. If DCs get banned in the US, there are still many middle income countries who want them in their special industrial zones, due to the FDI and emp…
> employment opportunities
the 5-7 people they employ during normal operation. High skilled engineers get flown in for setup and major changes/operations.
They add little local economic value.
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
#69The DCs are going up across middle income countries: industrial zones in South East Asia, India and Morocco, and also UAE/Saudi. Anger towards DCs are pertinent from a politics-in-rich-country angle, but it has no relevance on the overall trajectory of where we are heading. If DCs get banned in the US, there are still many middle income countries who want them in their special industrial zones, due to the FDI and emp…
> employment opportunities the 5-7 people they employ during normal operation. High skilled engineers get flown in for setup and major changes/operations. They add little local economic value.
Why does Malaysia give tax breaks to data centers?
Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials
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No, it doesn't. Voters decide very little in the United States. People with money decide almost everything. They have better lawyers and better lobbyists than you do.
If you go in with the assumption that democracy does not work, then there is also no point in protesting, as being angry about datacenters would mean nothing anyway.
On the contrary, if democracy works, then there is no point in protesting, as you would just vote (or campaign and run for office) instead.
Most large scale protests are in fact because democracy failed to give the people a voice, and decisions were made without the input of the people.