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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by mapontosevenths »

andersonpico wrote: post #117
vlovich123 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me, did the AI companies redistribute that copyrighted material to others and make their money that way? Did Kim use the copyrighted material to generate something novel from it? copyright law literally says something isn’t infringement if it is a novel transformation. I get the jokes and criticism about AI companies fighting and complaining about competitors distilling, but this is a much weirder comparison.

But distribution isn't the only crime here, obtaining the material illegally apparently is a crime too. And the damn robot can also spit me harry Potter verbatim so I don't know how it would also not be distribution?

If I read Harry Potter I will remember some parts verbatim. Others I will tecall in only an abridged and lossy way.

Does that make my brain copyright infringement? Does Disney now own all my output forever because some small part of me now has Harry Potter embedded?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by xpct »

TZubiri wrote: post #90
p0w3n3d wrote: post #31

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I never get tired of posting this answer because everyone on the internet is adopting this hot take: If you look at it with your eyes crossed, Anthropic and the chinese are doing the same thing. If you look at it with nuance 1 the chinese are doing way worse stuff, and 2 stealing from a thief would still be stealing 1. The chinese are making multiple accounts (at least 49,000)[1][2], using proxies/VPNs, possibly usin…

Let's not sane-wash Anthropic's book theft. No, they didn't just 'scan' the internet, they created a tool for worldwide license washing and got fined an insignificant amount for it.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by dan_i »

zahlman wrote: post #136
dan_i wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

I thought this thread was about Alibaba's internal policies. How did we get here?

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by john_strinlai »

cryptonym wrote: post #123
vlovich123 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me, did the AI companies redistribute that copyrighted material to others and make their money that way? Did Kim use the copyrighted material to generate something novel from it? copyright law literally says something isn’t infringement if it is a novel transformation. I get the jokes and criticism about AI companies fighting and complaining about competitors distilling, but this is a much weirder comparison.

This is confusing. I can torrent everything and do what I want with it, as long as I don't redistribute the exact same thing? If so, why do we still pay for games and movies?

>I can torrent everything and do what I want with it, as long as I don't redistribute the exact same thing?

this is an incorrect interpretation (in the usa, at least).

downloading a game/movie is still the creation of unauthorized copy, which is not allowed. not to mention that playing/watching does not count as a "novel transformation".

(17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 501 are the relevant pieces of reading)

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by hydrox24 »

root-parent wrote: post #99
vlovich123 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me, did the AI companies redistribute that copyrighted material to others and make their money that way? Did Kim use the copyrighted material to generate something novel from it? copyright law literally says something isn’t infringement if it is a novel transformation. I get the jokes and criticism about AI companies fighting and complaining about competitors distilling, but this is a much weirder comparison.

Now you just have to explain this: "Anthropic settles with authors in first-of-its-kind AI copyright infringement lawsuit" - https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529404/anthropic-settl...

> "The training use was a fair use," [the judge] wrote. "The use of the books at issue to train Claude and its precursors was exceedingly transformative."

> However, the judge ruled that Anthropic's use of millions of pirated books to build its models – books that websites such as Library Genesis (LibGen) and Pirate Library Mirror (PiLiMi) copied without getting the authors' consent or giving them compensation – was not.

It seems clear from the article that while the use of pirated works was illegal, the use of copyrighted works (a the work a book is based on is still copyrighted if you buy the book) was fine and transformative.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by xpct »

spwa4 wrote: post #27
johnathan101 wrote: post #18

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Wasn't one of the big promises the AI labs made "uncopyrighting"? Ie. the ability to reconstruct large works, including source code, without actual access to the source code? Everything from movies to operating systems.

Interesting, I haven't heard this claim before. I suppose that claim made sense if their customers were big corporations, not so much when its the masses generating bootleg software copies.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by avd201 »

Anthropic has been doing this sort of stuff for a while already. I mean, who remembers when Claude would just consume all your remaining usage if it read anything indicating that Openclaw had been used on your codebase? Because I remember. Two months ago btw https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47963204 Then there was the whole debacle of Fable silently downgrading to other models if it detected wrong think, or worse, outright sabotaging your codebase if you were working on language models lol

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by mapontosevenths »

cinntaile wrote: post #113
xienze wrote: post #87

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Remember how people used to justify their own personal software piracy with arguments like "information wants to be free", "no one stole anything, you still have the data", "I was never going to buy it anyway", and "copyright should be abolished?" > Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims. Isn't that at least s…

Settlements after the fact, not agreements beforehand. No that's not something. That's just having infinitely more money to fight legal battles.

When a crime is only punishable by fines it isn't a crime, it's just an activity with a tax.

The AI companies knew that and bet, correctly, that it would be worth the cost.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by abenga »

batch12 wrote: post #124
dan_i wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

The article talks about European colonies, so would these have been European values then since America did not yet exist?

That's just the label that changed. Same people, same values.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by klibertp »

midasz wrote: post #135
cryptonym wrote: post #123

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This is confusing. I can torrent everything and do what I want with it, as long as I don't redistribute the exact same thing? If so, why do we still pay for games and movies?

I pay for games because it's more convenient than pirating them. For movies and tv however... They make it so difficult to be a customer.

Steam with Proton made gaming on Linux viable. Just for that, they deserve my money. That some of it goes to game devs is a happy coincidence ;D
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