Story of Z.ai:
use claude-code see how good it is send 100k bots to distill fable 5 (GLM 5.2 is the result of this) release Zcode ditch claude-code ban claude-code
Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#82All remote AI are a massive security risk for individuals/companies/governments that may be targeted by the US government. It is likely that the US will get a live feed from each AI provider that they are inspecting in real time to identity things of interest, terrorist attacks or foreign government planning or even foreign companies competitive to key US companies. It will give them access to the though process in t…
It is worth thinking about the fact the total throughput of even a big LLM provider isn't many megabits.
If a token compresses to around a byte, worldwide AI input and output is around 1 gigabyte per second.
For any intelligence agency, they can afford to keep and store all of that forever, and later do analysis on it.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#83I got curious and asked my Chinese friends, and they gave me a Reddit link[1]. It looks like it's about location data collection, and they suggested that might be the reason for the issue. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1ujila1/anthropic...
There was a big thread about it here the other day. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48734373
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anthropic clearly doesn't respect other people's IP, it's real rich that they now insist on theirs being worthy of protection. Fwiw, I think the concept of IP in general is counter to human progress.
It's more complicated than that because Google has been legally displaying other people copyrighted material for years. In any case there's still a difference between publicly available copyrighted data and whether you can use it for model training, and the innovation around model training, RLHF, etc which you presumably have some interest as a country to allow companies to invest in with some legal protections (like…
So you're saying it's more important to safeguard slop outputs than the original work of human beings.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#85Story of Z.ai: use claude-code see how good it is send 100k bots to distill fable 5 (GLM 5.2 is the result of this) release Zcode ditch claude-code ban claude-code
[citation needed]
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#86Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.
Remember how people used to justify their own personal software piracy with arguments like "information wants to be free", "no one stole anything, you still have the data", "I was never going to buy it anyway", and "copyright should be abolished?"
> Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.
Isn't that at least something? How many people pirating software ever settled with the companies they "victimized?"
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The corollary is that there are no morals once the stakes are in the $ billions, let alone hundreds of billions. This isn't even about a single person or personality. Very few people in such position could stand fast by their moral code. In any case, an environment that favors profit above everything will naturally select for individuals who are unencumbered by such hindrances. There might've been 100s of Altmans and…
> an environment that favors profit above everything will naturally select for individuals who are unencumbered by such hindrances.
Exactly. Dairy farms optimise for milk production so favour cows that produce the most milk.
The market economy optimises for profit so favours those most willing/able to generate it. Zuckerberg, Musk, Thiel, Andreesen and co are products of the system.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Translation: Alibaba will continue distillation attacks using accounts that aren't directly attributable to it's own corporate infrastructure. What's a "distillation attack"? How is it different from simply distillation?
The target doesn't want to be distilled.
You wouldn't distill a car.
Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says
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I never get tired of posting this answer because everyone on the internet is adopting this hot take:
If you look at it with your eyes crossed, Anthropic and the chinese are doing the same thing.
If you look at it with nuance 1 the chinese are doing way worse stuff, and 2 stealing from a thief would still be stealing
1. The chinese are making multiple accounts (at least 49,000)[1][2], using proxies/VPNs, possibly using residential computers and infected computers (unless you think the chinese are doing due diligence to ensure their purchased IPs are kosher). All accounts need to be created with a real name, and especially so if the paid models need to be accessed and paid with a credit card. So this is beyond IP theft and getting closer to fraud. These are all techniques that are well studied because they are used by criminals and cybercriminals, textbook stuff. Consider if that was not sufficient, that China is banned from using the product, so they need to use identities and locations not just to avoid relating the accounts between themselves, but merely to allow account creation. What identities are they using to create accounts.
Compare this to Anthropic which reads notes made a deal in an IP theft case paying billions because they bought books and scanned them but buying the books wasn't sufficient retribution for the authors. Or that they gasp scanned the internet, like Google.
Not having nuance to see the difference between the two companies is something I expect of the twitter echo chamber copying hot takes for upvotes, not hacker news.
[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/06/anthropic-claims... [2] https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-dist...