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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by matheusmoreira »

root-parent wrote: post #97
matheusmoreira wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.

Remember Aaron Swartz who did something that just pales compared to what Dario Amodei, Zuckerberg-Mr-Torrent and Sam Altman did.

Indeed I do. We should all remember him. Rest in peace.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#102

Post by codedokode »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #74
p0w3n3d wrote: post #31

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Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.

Exactly. If a rich corporation downloads and uses pirated content without paying, why should ordinary person pay for movies and music instead of downloading them for free?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#104

Post by bildung »

TZubiri wrote: post #90
p0w3n3d wrote: post #31

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I never get tired of posting this answer because everyone on the internet is adopting this hot take: If you look at it with your eyes crossed, Anthropic and the chinese are doing the same thing. If you look at it with nuance 1 the chinese are doing way worse stuff, and 2 stealing from a thief would still be stealing 1. The chinese are making multiple accounts (at least 49,000)[1][2], using proxies/VPNs, possibly usin…

What seems to be missing from that take is that a) Alibaba paid for the access b) there is no IP theft because LLM output is not copyrightable.

Anthropic seems to want to both own and eat its stolen cake.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#105

Post by phoghed »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #100
xienze wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how people used to justify their own personal software piracy with arguments like "information wants to be free", "no one stole anything, you still have the data", "I was never going to buy it anyway", and "copyright should be abolished?" > Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims. Isn't that at least s…

> Remember how people used to justify their own personal software piracy A courtesy. There was never any need to justify it. > Isn't that at least something? Yes, it's a joke . Why do they get to infringe copyrights with impunity while normal people get destroyed? Either go after them like the copyright industry always does and punish them properly, or abolish copyright straight up. This "rules for thee but not for m…

So you don’t actually care, you just want them punished out of spite because some other guy was for doing something similar but not the same?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#106

Post by 314 »

root-parent wrote: post #97
matheusmoreira wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.

Remember Aaron Swartz who did something that just pales compared to what Dario Amodei, Zuckerberg-Mr-Torrent and Sam Altman did.

But Aaron Swartz did it for the benefit of other people. These fine people did it to uphold american values and enrich themselves at the expense of others. The law is clearly on their side.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#107

Post by monooso »

xienze wrote: post #87
matheusmoreira wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.

Remember how people used to justify their own personal software piracy with arguments like "information wants to be free", "no one stole anything, you still have the data", "I was never going to buy it anyway", and "copyright should be abolished?" > Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims. Isn't that at least s…

How many people pirating software stole every piece of copyrighted material in existence and then used that material to generate billions of dollars which they kept for themselves?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

#108

Post by codedokode »

TZubiri wrote: post #90
p0w3n3d wrote: post #31

[flagged]

I never get tired of posting this answer because everyone on the internet is adopting this hot take: If you look at it with your eyes crossed, Anthropic and the chinese are doing the same thing. If you look at it with nuance 1 the chinese are doing way worse stuff, and 2 stealing from a thief would still be stealing 1. The chinese are making multiple accounts (at least 49,000)[1][2], using proxies/VPNs, possibly usin…

First, LLM is merely a tool and its output belong to whoever generated them. If a Chinese researcher used their creativity to generate a response, the copyright belongs to them and AI companies have no rights to it. Second, Chinese release many of their models for free, thus being on a noble mission to make AI available for every country (unlike certain company whose promises were nothing but words). For comparison, US companies do not release anything and want to keep AI for themselves and decide who gets to use it.

> stealing from a thief would still be stealing

Stealing from a thief hurts thief industry which is a win for society.

> The chinese are making multiple accounts

Not a crime. AI companies also ignore robots.txt and applicable laws when illegally copying copyrighted material from websites to their servers without author permission.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by dan_i »

314 wrote: post #106
root-parent wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember Aaron Swartz who did something that just pales compared to what Dario Amodei, Zuckerberg-Mr-Torrent and Sam Altman did.

But Aaron Swartz did it for the benefit of other people. These fine people did it to uphold american values and enrich themselves at the expense of others. The law is clearly on their side.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by codedokode »

Jeff9James wrote: post #81

Story of Z.ai: use claude-code see how good it is send 100k bots to distill fable 5 (GLM 5.2 is the result of this) release Zcode ditch claude-code ban claude-code

The outcome is that we get either free or cheaper model. Good work.
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