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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by numpad0 »

majormajor wrote: post #27
echelon wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like the Apple monopoly has made yet another industry its bitch. These companies are giving up sovereignty of their primary product to a company that can steer away customer loyalty and disrupt any hope these companies have of increasing their already scant margins. Any car should be able to interface with a phone without Apple or Google's legally binding terms and NDAs. The direction of control should be on t…

Seems like, if anything, the right action for regulators would be to enforce car manufacturers to not refuse to support existing consumer connectivity protocols... or at least not unless they can come up with something at least as good. And definitely something that isn't "pay us a data subscription so we can track you too while you use a crappier re-implementation of what your phone can already do." Or "we're gonna…

What regulators and the industry should have done was to devise a touch-over-HDMI protocol, so that CarPlay can be deprecated and its successor sectioned off as they like. That was IMO the root cause of this problem.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by vachina »

appden wrote: post #25

I’m fully bought into the Apple ecosystem, and I’ve had Teslas for 8 years and we currently also have car that supports CarPlay. The CarPlay interface is overall far inferior, especially with navigation. First of all, searching for destinations is terrible on CarPlay compared to Tesla! Even worse, Apple didn’t even add multi-touch support to CarPlay until iOS 26, and the vast majority of cars (including ours) don’t s…

Like the author said, if your built in is good, then great you don’t need CarPlay. Literally nobody is asking you to switch.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by numpad0 »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #46
numpad0 wrote: post #31

> There exists a flavor of CarPlay — CarPlay Ultra — that does take over every screen of the car. I wish software leaning Internet people stop framing that center console tablet as "the car". It's worse than people pointing at display monitors and calling it computers. They're just cheap complimentary tablets attached to the car. If we were to fully embrace the line of thinking that frame the touchscreen being the ca…

Huh? Your own quote literally does not frame the center screen as "the car": > that does take over every screen of the car.

The author clearly thinks that the dash and and the nav are connected to the same thing in the back, when in reality the nav is a self contained unit that runs on the power from the car. That only happens when people frame the nav as the car.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by jitl »

wackget wrote: post #22
wackget wrote: post #19

It's difficult for me to admit - because I really dislike Apple, Google, and the other predatory monopolies - but I wouldn't buy a car without CarPlay either. Like I said, it's not because I'm a fan of Apple. Honestly, fuck Apple. Fuck their stupid walled garden and their $99/yr developer fee and their planned obsolesence and their lack of a headphone jack and everything else. But fuck Google too. And especially fuck…

As a disclaimer, the three iPhones I've ever purchased have all been used. I keep them for as long as possible. I don't use iCloud. I don't buy apps. In fact, I don't give Apple any money as far as I know. I wish a Linux phone was a viable option but they are years away from being truly usable and decades away from any hope of mass integration with cars.

android isn't linux-y enough to be able to use android auto on a more typical linux kernel?

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by rootusrootus »

appden wrote: post #25

I’m fully bought into the Apple ecosystem, and I’ve had Teslas for 8 years and we currently also have car that supports CarPlay. The CarPlay interface is overall far inferior, especially with navigation. First of all, searching for destinations is terrible on CarPlay compared to Tesla! Even worse, Apple didn’t even add multi-touch support to CarPlay until iOS 26, and the vast majority of cars (including ours) don’t s…

I have a Tesla and a Lightning.

One of them lets me send iMessages to groups as well as non-phone recipients like my kids. The other is my Tesla.

I’m glad for you, but if Tesla supported CarPlay I could get what I wanted and you would not be affected at all. I’m baffled why people like you even bother to share your opinion. Nobody is suggesting that you be forced to use CarPlay. See also the entire topic of this discussion.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by greyface- »

october8140 wrote: post #38

CarPlay is bad for the car manufacturer and is far worse than the modern car software. People who complain about loosing CarPlay are not using the new software but reacting in fear thinking the old car software will come back. The author acts like manufacturers get CarPlay for free when it has a high cost, high constraints, and gives over most or all of the dash over to another company.

> gives over most or all of the dash over to another company

The dash isn't the manufacturer's property. It's the car owner's.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bhhaskin »

MBCook wrote: post #44
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

Since then GM has dropped CarPlay. Rivian has appeared following Tesla and refusing to support it. And I thought there were some other existing manufacturer who was either getting rid of it or thinking about it. Basically despite the popularity the market seems to be moving against it slowly. And the more those cars succeed the more other auto makers will be willing to follow.

It's not that the market is moving away, but more like car companies realized if they want to sell monthly subscriptions in the future, they need to own the software.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by QuiEgo »

appden wrote: post #25

I’m fully bought into the Apple ecosystem, and I’ve had Teslas for 8 years and we currently also have car that supports CarPlay. The CarPlay interface is overall far inferior, especially with navigation. First of all, searching for destinations is terrible on CarPlay compared to Tesla! Even worse, Apple didn’t even add multi-touch support to CarPlay until iOS 26, and the vast majority of cars (including ours) don’t s…

Second all these points! No multitouch is such a bad experience on maps!

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by appden »

MBCook wrote: post #40
appden wrote: post #25

I’m fully bought into the Apple ecosystem, and I’ve had Teslas for 8 years and we currently also have car that supports CarPlay. The CarPlay interface is overall far inferior, especially with navigation. First of all, searching for destinations is terrible on CarPlay compared to Tesla! Even worse, Apple didn’t even add multi-touch support to CarPlay until iOS 26, and the vast majority of cars (including ours) don’t s…

OK you don’t like it. How is that an argument against allowing people to choose?

Quite the contrary, I’ve long thought Tesla should add support for CarPlay to alleviate the concerns of many buyers over it not being supported. I think it would have been starkly worse than Tesla’s interface before they supported multi-touch this past year, but nonetheless they should have supported it by now. Better late than never that they’re finally adding support for it, it’ll especially make Rivian look kinda silly for continuing to be so stubborn about it. I think only a small fraction will actually use CarPlay on their Teslas, but it’s still pretty dumb to let that missing feature hurt their sales.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by rootusrootus »

yostrovs wrote: post #30

There are a bunch of CarPlay devices on Amazon, for example, with all kinds of screens, designed for Tesla and other cars that don't support it, that cost about $200 for a nice one. Why not just buy one of those and who cares if it's natively supported?

In most cases it puts the CarPlay screen in a more difficult to reach location than the OE screen.

The one that interests me now is the one that selectively takes over the Tesla screen.

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