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Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by dang »

alex1138 wrote: post #74
shakna wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RFK's reliance on terrain theory, disproved continually since some five hundred years ago, does much to assist in citations - it is common to cite bad science as evidence where we need to improve public comprehension.

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You've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly. If you keep this up, we will ban you. We already asked you to stop this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46534572.

There are, unfortunately, many examples of your doing this:

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This is not a comment about any of your views on vaccines or anything else. But you can't post like this regardless of what your view is on any topic.

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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by atomicUpdate »

foltik wrote: post #175
tlogan wrote: post #130

If these mRNA vaccines had not been pushed or mandated, more people would probably think they are safe: there will be no need for any of these reviews. But because they were pushed by the government, many people do not trust them. Sure, they were pushed and mandated for good reasons, but the problem is that a lot of people have already lost trust in the government. That trust was not lost because of one big decision.…

I think it’s the opposite. The _distrust itself_ was pushed by those looking to stir up outrage, generate engagement, and turn it into votes. Case in point: look at all the people who’ve now built their entire political identities atop this unfalsifiable distrust. They’d even distrust “stand further apart” if the wrong person said it. > I do not know how this trust can be rebuilt but definitely not by publishing more…

> They’d even distrust “stand further apart” if the wrong person said it.

They shouldn’t believe it no matter who says it. The entire concept of “social distancing” was completely made up and had no science behind it. It belongs in the same bucket of nonsense as “mask up between bites.”

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by renw0rp »

cedws wrote: post #123
throwaway5752 wrote: post #113

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This was very uncommon. It was also unrelated to mRNA vaccines, it was the AstroZeneca vaccine vaxzevria, and it was based on an adenovirus.

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My cousin died in 2021 at the age of 28 after AstraZeneca vaccine. Quite unfortunate, they starter increasing the age group of people receiving that vaccine literally days after he got it. His parents obviously are obviously still struggling with it and will never really accept it.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by bad_username »

fivetenpen wrote: post #225
z3ratul163071 wrote: post #221

how exactly were the vaccines effective, if every single person i know who got them got covid?

They were never meant to prevent people from getting COVID. They were meant to prevent people from dying due to COVID. The fact they were able to tell you they had COVID means it was a resounding success (not dead).

> They were never meant to prevent people from getting COVID.

"COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19" - https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/97780/

You see, this kind of lying and gaslighting is exactly what feeds the distrust in the government and scientific establishment in general public. No number of studies is going to reverse that any time soon.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by atomicUpdate »

qsera wrote: post #200
bsder wrote: post #170

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The Covid vaccines were and continue to be VERY effective at preventing you from winding up on ECMO. Yes, you may still get Covid, but you don't die from drowning in your own body fluids anymore. Of course, this only attends if you got the damn vaccine. All of the Covid deaths around me in the last couple years (7 deaths) were anti-vaxxers. But, hey, we know that reality has a well-known liberal bias.

> All of the Covid deaths around me in the last couple years (7 deaths) Where exactly is this?

Apparently they live in a nursing home in 2020 still, because no one else is dying of covid anymore. Especially not young or healthy people within the last few years.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by bawolff »

cedws wrote: post #123
throwaway5752 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was very uncommon. It was also unrelated to mRNA vaccines, it was the AstroZeneca vaccine vaxzevria, and it was based on an adenovirus.

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> Imagine if you had lost a son or daughter due to this

And imagine if you lost a son or daughter due to not doing this.

You are making a choice either way. If the opposite choice was made there are different consequences. Its not like you can opt out of consequences by not choosing.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by RandomLensman »

d--b wrote: post #194
RandomLensman wrote: post #158

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How large a trial do you want to run to capture "rare conditions"? Millions? Billions of participants? How long do you want to run trials? Years? Decades?

There is a process in place that’s meant to capture a certain number of potential problems. I didn’t make that process. The people who are making drugs safe designed the process. There is never zero risk of a treatment behaving badly, of course but when a drug gets fast tracked and doesn’t go through the regular approval process, it just hasn’t been proven to be safe by the regular standard of what experts deem safe.…

Operation Warpspeed addressed that by running a very large stage 3 trial. One reason that isn't normally done is the high cost of such a large trial.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by RandomLensman »

qsera wrote: post #197
RandomLensman wrote: post #158

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How large a trial do you want to run to capture "rare conditions"? Millions? Billions of participants? How long do you want to run trials? Years? Decades?

No, it is not about large trials. It is about changing the attitude of medical practitioners and the media that refuse to acknowledge a vaccine could have caused an adverse effect. I understand that this is to not feed the vaccine hesitancy. But to anyone observing carefully, this is a crucial break in the information chain that can feedback any ill effects of any vaccine back to the creators.

Who refused to acknowledge there could be adverse effects? I certainly was given information prior to vaccination that outlined possible adverse side effects.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by bawolff »

cedws wrote: post #205
estearum wrote: post #190

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But the trolley problem doesn't make sense here. The statistically correct thing to do, in nearly all cases for nearly all people, both for themselves and for their community (separately!), was to get vaccinated.

It does though. A government mandate is the same as pulling the lever, it’s trading who lives and who dies. Even if more people survive as result, just like in the original trolley problem, the one who pulls the lever becomes responsible for the exchange. I’m not even arguing the government shouldn’t pull the lever, I just want people to be held accountable for the lives lost as a result, and for the families to be t…

> just like in the original trolley problem, the one who pulls the lever becomes responsible for the exchange.

That is a conclusion you can have, but you're speaking like its the official correct conclusion, which isn't really true.

The reason the trolly problem is so popular is because there isn't an agreed upon answer and different people come to different conclusions about it. Some people would agree that by pulling the lever you become morally responsible in a way you aren't if you take no action. Other people think you are morally culpable either way.

Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise 

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Post by goatlover »

cedws wrote: post #220
cedws wrote: post #81

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IIRC the vaccines were provably linked to the death of young people who had blood clots they shouldn't have had. The common argument made is that the vaccine saved more lives than they took, but this is pretty fucked up IMO. It's the trolley problem IRL - if you force someone to get a vaccine and they die as a result, you are responsible for their death. Also, the manufacturers can never be held responsible, because…

For the record, this comment is not arguing against vaccines or their veracity, there seems to have been confusion about that. I am specifically arguing against vaccine mandates.

If the pandemic had been deadlier and even more infectious like measles or smallpox were, would you still be against mandates? Surely there is a scenario like airborne Ebola or 28 days Later Rage virus that would justify mandates.
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